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    Quote Originally Posted by AxlStream View Post
    I think this is Poe's law in full effect. It's so absurd that we're not sure if it's real or satire anymore.
    I wouldn't call a suggestion like this absurd. I know a lot of people who would really appreciate something like this in MMORPGs, and to suggest a feature and looking for interest for that to show the developers if people would care for it or not is a pretty natural reaction in case you would ask for something like this. I don't know if this is troll or not, but it is definitely an idea I would get behind if there was an easy way to put it in, which it as of my understanding now doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    I wouldn't call a suggestion like this absurd. I know a lot of people who would really appreciate something like this in MMORPGs, and to suggest a feature and looking for interest for that to show the developers if people would care for it or not is a pretty natural reaction in case you would ask for something like this. I don't know if this is troll or not, but it is definitely an idea I would get behind if there was an easy way to put it in, which it as of my understanding now doesn't.
    Cyberpunk 2077 is going to allow you to choose your prounouns.

    But my thing is? There are hundreds if not thousands of Genders now. So where does it stop? Like if they put this in? Then he'll have to have people select one of hundreds of genders at character select. Its kind of insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu View Post
    Cyberpunk 2077 is going to allow you to choose your prounouns.
    Cyberpunk is a bit different though I feel. Since the genre implies that humanity is pushing back the limits of what is possible so if you identify as a toaster (silly example I know), you can legitimately install a toaster in yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu View Post
    Cyberpunk 2077 is going to allow you to choose your prounouns.

    But my thing is? There are hundreds if not thousands of Genders now. So where does it stop? Like if they put this in? Then he'll have to have people select one of hundreds of genders at character select. Its kind of insane.
    No, they are not. This is a common misconception. Most people realize how they can't simply put in every genderidentity, which was why the original suggestion (seems) to imply that they ask to be able to just set their own customed pronouns rather than having to list all the ones, or just for a neutral option. I have never seriously seen anyone asking for all gender identities to be available in a choice menu with dialogue specifically written for it, this is simply a fear a lot of people have for what "will happen" if we even travel slightly from status quo, an understandable fear but still not really fully justified in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu View Post
    Cyberpunk 2077 is going to allow you to choose your prounouns.

    But my thing is? There are hundreds if not thousands of Genders now. So where does it stop? Like if they put this in? Then he'll have to have people select one of hundreds of genders at character select. Its kind of insane.
    There's a simple, practical middle ground - the well-established "singular they".

    I'm not involved in whatever community is creating these "hundreds if not thousands of genders" so I have no idea what direction that conversation is drifting in, but for seeing it in mainstream usage (news articles or such) then it's common and straightforward to use "they". We already use it, perhaps without even noticing, to refer to someone 'nonspecific', or on the Internet when we don't know the gender of the person we're referring to.

    The longer and more common it is that "they" is in use, I would expect that more people might choose to use that, instead of trying to pick their own individual pronouns because right now there's no established standard for them.
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    In a thousand years, when archeologists are digging up bones of today's civilization, what gender do you think they're going to classify the skeletons as? If you answer anything other than "male" or "female", then you're denying reality. If you want to headcanon yourself, in game and/or out, as something else, go for it. Just don't expect, nor demand, that others pander to your imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CazzT View Post
    In a thousand years, when archeologists are digging up bones of today's civilization, what gender do you think they're going to classify the skeletons as? If you answer anything other than "male" or "female", then you're denying reality. If you want to headcanon yourself, in game and/or out, as something else, go for it. Just don't expect, nor demand, that others pander to your imagination.
    gender and sex arent the same thing, and thats cientifically proven
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    Gonna be that selfish/un-altruistic guy and say I'd rather they put those hypothetical localization and script costs to fit those "they" pronouns to the more mainstream current costs we have.

    Every year and every new expav is a struggle for the ff14 team to implement with their limited time and resources. I'd rather not see those sunk into something to please a very niche minority of players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    Gonna be that selfish/un-altruistic guy and say I'd rather they put those hypothetical localization and script costs to fit those "they" pronouns to the more mainstream current costs we have.

    Every year and every new expav is a struggle for the ff14 team to implement with their limited time and resources. I'd rather not see those sunk into something to please a very niche minority of players.
    I hate this argument so much as a lot of people who uses it are inconsistant about it. Does this mean you would also support that they stopped working on Savage and Ultimate content all together because those only cater towards a very niche minority, especially in the case of ultimate? I know I don't even though I would enjoy time better spent on *insert content I enjoy here* instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    I hate this argument so much as a lot of people who uses it are inconsistant about it. Does this mean you would also support that they stopped working on Savage and Ultimate content all together because those only cater towards a very niche minority, especially in the case of ultimate? I know I don't even though I would enjoy time better spent on *insert content I enjoy here* instead.
    There are more Savage raiders in the world, than people who are asking for this though.
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