Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
You do know that Diven Veil and Shake it Off work differently, not only in the sense that DV needs a healing spell to be proced, right?

I checked the english tooltips and they're not that clear on that matter as the german ones, but (unless those tooltips are wrong, I never tested it since I dont play warrior that much), the difference is as follows:

Diven Veil gives you a shield thats based on the max HP of the paladin using DV - so if the paladin has 110k HP everyone in the party will get a shield for 10% of that, so 11k.

Shake it Off on the other hand is based on the max HP of every individual target and gives them a 12% shield for their max HP (at base). That means if we have, lets say a BLM with 72k it lookes as follows:
Base Shake it Off: ~8640 shield
One CD (14%): ~10k
Two CDs (16%): 11.5k
Three CDs (18%): ~13k

Both the paladins and the BLMs HP are realistic at the current point and while its obviously not as easy to say since it always depends on individual HP, its pretty safe to say that DV is better than basic Shake it Off and maybe even than Shake it Off+one CD.
Good to note. One of those small changes in wording that makes a big difference.

But there are other things about shake it off that make it better. Applying a shield to the user for one thing and since the user is a tank it’s a pretty meaty shield. It’s also easier to plan for shake it off, when a CD is about to wear off for example you can just pop it and get a hefty party wide shield. PLD you have to wait until you’re going to be cured anyway or waste your own GCD to proc it.

Quote Originally Posted by Phileas View Post
Passage of arms doesnt need to be just used when boss transitions to its big attack. I use it on any stack damage mechanic if i know there is no transitions. It also applies as soon as you hit it even before wing animation finishes.
I think this is really what I take umbrage with for PLDs group mitigation, you gotta jump through hoops and use it in weird ways to make use of it without cutting into your uptime. WAR doesn’t get that, just push a button and shields all around.