What’s looking like the meta?

[Cabalabob]

... have you even looked at rankings?

Where I am utterly baffled by is you vaulting Astro ahead of White Mage. No offense, but have you been living under a rock this past month?

I know it’s hard to tell from these subtle hints.

There will likely be balance changes with the release of savage but these will probably just be potency adjustments rather than actual changes to the job’s kits.

So i’m looking at the jobs as they stand now based more on their kit, rather than their current dps numbers which are subject to change

initial gut feelings without too much research.

I haven’t really even looked at WHM or AST, so I can’t really say much on this subject.

But actually no, haven’t looked at the rankings or seen anything about AST vs. WHM. Since as I said I was looking mainly at the kits rather than the potencies which are very likely to be buffed when savage is released.

Other than that, thank you for your contribution on how they stack up.

I doubt the meta will be a triple melee as you’ve listed though, since party bonuses require you to have 1 melee, 1 physical ranged, and 1 caster to get the 1% bonus from it.

Didn’t even think about the party bonus, that was probably done specifically to avoid physical stacking so yeah I should have factored that in.

but BLM is utterly destroying both of them in terms of personal damage (and their raid damage cannot compete with it either). It has the highest damage in the game, so I see it dominating speedkills. It’s already dominating EX speedkills. SMN and RDM don’t come close to it in terms of damage, so discounting BLM is a huge error on your part. (MCH is actually doing more damage than SMN right now.)

You’re right, I dismissed BLM, MCH and SAM out of hand because of how pure dps have been treated in the meta up until now because of their lack of utility, but after writing the OP it got me to consider how thoroughly reigned in raid utility has been. It’s gone from people adding 10-20% permanent damage buffs down to 5% and the occasional 2-3 min CD, so the pure dps will likely be much more competitive.

BRD will be good for prog because Minne is a still a good healing buff (it affects ALL healing now—including oGCDs).

Didn’t know that, that does make it more significant than I initially considered, so that’s true, BRD will probably be very good for prog while DNC will be better later.

I actually LOL'd when I read some of the things on the OP's list.

Good contribution to the thread we’re glad you’re here.

[Karen_Cerfrumos]

OP is still living in Stormblood, RIP

[ging3399]

AST yes!!

[Evergrey]

I've seen DRK able to out dps a NIN.

[Enla]

I've seen DRK able to out dps a NIN.

As have I. I'm flabbergasted by the state NIN is in right now frankly.

[Phileas]

Actually its the other way around for tanks:

[Exiled_Tonberry]

PLD
GNB/DRK
WHM
SCH
BLM
DRG
MNK
DNC/BRD
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Tanks honestly are a bit interchangeable right now. They're all really close.

Healers, there's a clear winning comp. AST just doesn't have the healing power or utility right now to beat the outright broken healing power of SCH and massive DPS of WHM.

For DPS, BLM and DRG are for sure players. BLM has truly insane damage and DRG has dmg rivaling Monk and SAM while having a lot of utility.
Monk is the best 3rd choice, it's really strong and has decent utility.

DNC has some great utility, but people may prefer Bard for the higher personal dmg.

[Phileas]

DRK and WAR are a pair in terms of design with their 10 second delirium windows. Similar design parallels tho delirium is not as strong as inner release. A lot complain that DRK is too similar to WAR with its delirium window..

PLD and GNB both have a long rotation (PLD has fof/req window and GNB has no mercy window) and they both require maintenance of two dots on the enemy for max damage. GNB has its regen that is useful on itself or MT and PLD has clemency to heal but sacrifices its dps for it. GNB is a more offensive focused paladin with its heal ability as ogcd and a slightly weaker cooldown kit.

But in terms of dps it is so close together you can really bring any of the four and be okay. GNB suffers slightly because camouflage is not a great button and DRK are split on whether its rework is good or not but otherwise it is very balanced and only some minor tweaks to assist in qol is needed.

[Phileas]

You also mention divine veil is a weaker form of shake it off but paladin also has passage of arms that can stack with divine veil. Paladin group mitigation is very strong.

[xxvaynxx]

From a Speed Kill meta which normally translates into just the meta overall.
GnB/Pld-Drk
Whm/Sch
Drg/Sam/Bard/Blm

This is what I heard in theory crafting.

Its not DNC and NIN mostly because their dps is way too low.
Those jobs are pretty much just for padding how their dps is atm.

Which imo, should stay there. If they buff nin and/or dnc, they'll just make them auto meta.