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[Krotoan]

Destiny is not a MMORPG, Bungie has stated several times it's not. Even though it plays EXACTLY like one and I too thought it was that and called it that, but no they're not mmorpgs.

https://www.gamesradar.com/bungie-co...-improvements/
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/06...-to-play-model

.... WEIRD..

Yes...I said "some" never made the claim "all" however them forcing different things on people or not doesn't change the fact that it's still story driven....not sure what point you thought you had there.

The point being that because SOME offer the opportunity to level differently doesn't mean that games that force you to progress a certain way don't exist. Which was your earlier argument that all MMORPGs are story driven and

The other developers don’t force you to play how they want you to play.

.. cause some do.

I'm not sure why you've chosen to die on this hill of "everything is story driven". cause there's lots of MMO games out there that couldn't care less if you paid attention to the story, FFXIV focuses on it more though. This doesn't mean all other aspects are meaningless or inconsequential, just that the story is both a major selling point and a severely integral and referenced part of the progression. This is not true for every game.

[Nims]

Weird....

https://www.gamesradar.com/what-destiny-if-its-not-mmo/
https://gyazo.com/b2ce501f5e3f584203caca88c142cab7 That's if you simply google "Is Destiny an MMO?"

Here's an article from the same site you used. Also you can just google "Destiny is not an MMO" and look at all the other equally confused people and articles.

The point being that because SOME offer the opportunity to level differently doesn't mean that games that force you to progress a certain way don't exist. Which was your earlier argument that all MMORPGs are story driven and

That wasn't my point at all, you made a point that all developers make you go from map to map, create new characters, etc because of the story. My point was that's false, I played games where that wasn't the case.

=cause there's lots of MMO games out there that couldn't care less if you paid attention to the story

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

[Nariel]

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

yeah, like, FFXIV is totaly a PvP driven game too.

You can do PvP, they even make some event about it, stream it sometime so FFXIV is totaly a PvP game. But it can't be wrong just because PvP give access to nothing, don't help progress anything else or even get barely any update once every 6 month.

[Nims]

yeah, like, FFXIV is totaly a PvP driven game too.

...What? You mean a PvP mmorpg? Bad analogy because there's no open world PvP or FvF and that's what makes an MMORPG a "PvP MMO". You can say FFXIV has PvP and has arenas...well because it does.

That sounds unhealthy.
Also, small question - is FFXIV not a story driven MMO then...? If saying "FFXIV is a story driven MMO" triggers you, but you claim that ALL MMOs are story driven... I'm not quite sure what to make out of that right now.

And please tell when I acted shocked that someone would skips the story? It doesnt shock me when someone does that, I just think that its weird they picked a game with so much story if all they wanna do is skip that - but I couldnt care less about how people end up playing the game as long as it doesnt interfere with what I'm getting. And since I mainly want a good story I care about the devs putting their focus on writing and developing one.
I dont think that FFXIV is the only story-driven MMO and I think I'm telling you this for the fourth time now? I only think that for FFXIV the story is more of a focus for the devs than it might be in other games ("more of a focus" doesnt equal "other MMOs dont have a story at all). If FFXIV had as much story as other MMOs we wouldnt get people here who complain that there are to many quests to do and to many cutscenes to watch. If every MMO was like FFXIV you wouldnt complain how this one "froces" its story on you while others dont.

All we're saying is that in the spirit of other FF games its unsurprising that this MMO "makes" you go through a long and involved story with cutscenes that give you warning "this might take a while now" - and if that isnt for you, that if you want a game that says "I dont really care wether or not my players go through the story" then I'm sure there are games like that out here.

It's not "unhealthy" because it's more along the lines of annoyed than actually angry or literally "triggered".

You answered your own question

When did I specifically say you were shocked?

Also what is it with this community where it's "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE STORY THEN LEAVE" me liking the story or not, how the story is or isn't told is IRRELEVANT to the topic at hand.

And it was a point of contention to your credit, but considering the developers themselves eventually conceded they had an MMO on their hands, albeit an "action MMO", it seems that Destiny 2 (possibly not Destiny 1) is an MMO by its own developers admission.



I said Developers do force you do things. As in that there are other developers who force you to play how they want. I apologize if that wasn't clear. Good thing we've cleared that up.


... can you not reply in Memes?
Spongebob text in several of your previous responses, I'm betting those "."s are supposed to be "claps"... That's a little annoying.

They have STORY. This isn't the same. Story DRIVEN means the intended driving force behind playing the game is that you would like to find out more of the story. Now this isn't REQUIRED that you pay attention, but it's understood to be a major focus of the developers and a large selling point of the game that not only does it have story, it's going to spend a significant amount of time and resources showing and expanding that story. If something is LOOT driven there's going to be a buttload of hype/mechanics/discussion about the stuff you get, if something is PVP driven there's going to be a gigantic amount of options, achievements and builds for PVP content.


Containing story and being driven by story are very different things.

Destiny 2 is still not considered a mmorpg, Bungie still hasn't classified that one and if you wanted to put any tag on it, it would be a "MMOFPS" Rpgs are generally more story heavy than FPS.

I'm still not sure you have it cleared up or you would've never tried to argue that fact.

Can I not reply in memes? You do realize people have been putting periods at the ends of words to stress meanings since before memes right? It's kind of annoying that you didn't know that and you're just trying to argue stuff without having a clue what's going on.

Again...I don't know how many times I have to type this, maybe reading isn't your strong point?

EVERY. MMORPG. IS. STORY. DRIVEN.

There's a reason you're in that dungeon.
There's a reason you're in that raid.
There's a reason you're killing that piglet creature.
Thee's a reason you're fighting the other faction.

All of that is story that's DRIVING you to do x, y, and z. Just because someone skipped the quest, doesn't mean that reason isn't there.

I think you don't fully understand the difference between having lore and a game being driven by its story. Ill use some simple examples for you.

Not even wasting a reply on this, go back re read the other post I made going over this. Why do people come here, reply, and then not read?

"Every game is story driven because there's a reason you're playing the game lololol."

Yeah, Heavy Rain is just as story driven as Super Mario Bros.

I said every "MMORPG" is story driven and it's important to express mmorpg, while yes those are games they're usually a story driven genre.

There are TONS of other genre of games that have absolutely zero lore and or story. If you're gonna be a smart ass, be smart.

[Krotoan]

Destiny 2 is still not considered a mmorpg, Bungie still hasn't classified that one and if you wanted to put any tag on it, it would be a "MMOFPS" Rpgs are generally more story heavy than FPS.

I'm still not sure you have it cleared up or you would've never tried to argue that fact.

OK.

Can I not reply in memes? You do realize people have been putting periods at the ends of words to stress meanings since before memes right? It's kind of annoying that you didn't know that and you're just trying to argue stuff without having a clue what's going on.

Not really. Periods denote ends of sentences. Generally the internet used capital letters to emphasize words, or denote shouting. ... and I guess you're gonna ignore the spongebob part?

Again...I don't know how many times I have to type this, maybe reading isn't your strong point?

I'm very good at reading thank you, however your insistence to make things mean what you think they mean and not what they actually mean is confusing.

EVERY. MMORPG. IS. STORY. DRIVEN.

Someone politely asks you not to do something... oh well..

There's a reason you're in that dungeon.
There's a reason you're in that raid.
There's a reason you're killing that piglet creature.
Thee's a reason you're fighting the other faction.

All of that is story that's DRIVING you to do x, y, and z. Just because someone skipped the quest, doesn't mean that reason isn't there.

The story isn't DRIVING you to do anything in a lot of MMO's. If you want to be specific about words and their meaning, which you seem to be:

driv·en
/ˈdrivən/
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1.
past participle of drive.

adjective
suffix: -driven; adjective: driven

1.
operated, moved, or controlled by a specified person or source of power.
"a chauffeur-driven limousine"
motivated or determined by a specified factor or feeling.
"a market-driven response to customer needs"

What motivates you to complete that dungeon, that raid, kill that creature, to fight that other faction? In FFXIV it's designed to be the desire to experience more story. Story is a reward, a motivation and a measure of how much of the game you've "completed".
It is intended to be the primary reason you are playing the game. It sounds like you are arguing that one of the major selling points of every single game out there is it's story.

[Krotoan]

https://www.gamesradar.com/what-destiny-if-its-not-mmo/
https://gyazo.com/b2ce501f5e3f584203caca88c142cab7 That's if you simply google "Is Destiny an MMO?"


Here's an article from the same site you used. Also you can just google "Destiny is not an MMO" and look at all the other equally confused people and articles.

And it was a point of contention to your credit, but considering the developers themselves eventually conceded they had an MMO on their hands, albeit an "action MMO", it seems that Destiny 2 (possibly not Destiny 1) is an MMO by its own developers admission.

That wasn't my point at all, you made a point that all developers make you go from map to map, create new characters, etc because of the story. My point was that's false, I played games where that wasn't the case.

I said Developers do force you do things. As in that there are other developers who force you to play how they want. I apologize if that wasn't clear. Good thing we've cleared that up.

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

... can you not reply in Memes?
Spongebob text in several of your previous responses, I'm betting those "."s are supposed to be "claps"... That's a little annoying.

They have STORY. This isn't the same. Story DRIVEN means the intended driving force behind playing the game is that you would like to find out more of the story. Now this isn't REQUIRED that you pay attention, but it's understood to be a major focus of the developers and a large selling point of the game that not only does it have story, it's going to spend a significant amount of time and resources showing and expanding that story. If something is LOOT driven there's going to be a buttload of hype/mechanics/discussion about the stuff you get, if something is PVP driven there's going to be a gigantic amount of options, achievements and builds for PVP content.


Containing story and being driven by story are very different things.

[Nezerius]

https://www.gamesradar.com/what-destiny-if-its-not-mmo/
https://gyazo.com/b2ce501f5e3f584203caca88c142cab7 That's if you simply google "Is Destiny an MMO?"

Here's an article from the same site you used. Also you can just google "Destiny is not an MMO" and look at all the other equally confused people and articles.

I find it hilarious how your retort is to link an article from 2013, and a wikipedia description. It's only been very recently that both Bungie's Creative Director and the General Manager have embraced the fact that Destiny 2 is an action MMO. Specifically mentioned during the reveal stream of the upcoming Shadowkeep expansion.

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

While other MMOs are obviously story driven, you also claimed that "they're all equally as focused on story as the next one." That claim would mean that you find WoW and FFXIV to be equally focused on the story. I'd like to see you say that with a straight face.

[snarkomatic]

I find it hilarious how your retort is to link an article from 2013, and a wikipedia description. It's only been very recently that both Bungie's Creative Director and the General Manager have embraced the fact that Destiny 2 is an action MMO. Specifically mentioned during the reveal stream of the upcoming Shadowkeep expansion.



While other MMOs are obviously story driven, you also claimed that "they're all equally as focused on story as the next one." That claim would mean that you find WoW and FFXIV to be equally focused on the story. I'd like to see you say that with a straight face.

I will argue with you!

Real talk tho, respectfully, I point to ESO. It is an Elder Scrolls game, so you can't for a second tell me it's not based in a very heavily story-driven IP; it is designed to appeal to both MMO fans and TES single-player fans, so it does not flinch away from giving you heavy narrative to play with; and the entire basis for your character's beginning and continued existence is framed around the larger story. Every chapter begins with an intro quest to set up the plot for the expansion. Choices you make define the game world (read: will instance you away from people who made other decisions), and every raid is a specific fight in a specific climax for that chapter's plot.

Never once do they make us do the story quests. Never once have any of us complained about doing the story quests anyway. In fact, we love them. Why? Because the ones who do them are the ones who want to do them (or achievement hunters, which is basically the same thing lol).

TL;DR: you can be hella story-focused and still not strongarm your player base into running your content while also still achieving a large completion ratio for that content. It doesn't hurt that their quests are all voice acted by some serious talent, but that's a subjective opinion probably.

[Selova]

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

Your entire hilariously flawed argument is that every MMO is story driven because story exists in every MMO. It's kind of amazing how you don't understand the difference between a game that is story driven and a game where story just exists. Every game has story elements in it, if they didn't it would literally just be a combat/dungeon/instance simulator. In this game your progression is literally gated by the story, no other game bar other single player RPG's halt your progression through it's story. Everything in the game is revolved around making you care about the story. In WoW you can literally skip the entire story and level exclusively in dungeons not even knowing the game even has a story. This is the difference. Why this is so hard to comprehend is beyond me.