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[SaberMaxwell]

There's a clear breakdown of communication caused by what looks like pedantry.

Clearly ffxiv treats its story differently than other mmos do, which is the story lock. A lot of longtime XIV players don't mind and even like this lock because it forces a clear linear chronology. Stormblood comes after Heavensward. I can't jump straight to the First like I can jump straight to Burning Crusade content.

Ffxiv sells itself as a story first. Many consider that to be the definition of "story driven." The story comes first, ergo it drives the game. You can't raid without doing the story. Dungeons and areas are locked behind the story. Crafting and gathering are likewise locked behind the story. It's clear you have a different definition for "story driven."

[Nariel]

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

yeah, like, FFXIV is totaly a PvP driven game too.

You can do PvP, they even make some event about it, stream it sometime so FFXIV is totaly a PvP game. But it can't be wrong just because PvP give access to nothing, don't help progress anything else or even get barely any update once every 6 month.

[Krotoan]

https://www.gamesradar.com/what-destiny-if-its-not-mmo/
https://gyazo.com/b2ce501f5e3f584203caca88c142cab7 That's if you simply google "Is Destiny an MMO?"


Here's an article from the same site you used. Also you can just google "Destiny is not an MMO" and look at all the other equally confused people and articles.

And it was a point of contention to your credit, but considering the developers themselves eventually conceded they had an MMO on their hands, albeit an "action MMO", it seems that Destiny 2 (possibly not Destiny 1) is an MMO by its own developers admission.

That wasn't my point at all, you made a point that all developers make you go from map to map, create new characters, etc because of the story. My point was that's false, I played games where that wasn't the case.

I said Developers do force you do things. As in that there are other developers who force you to play how they want. I apologize if that wasn't clear. Good thing we've cleared that up.

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

... can you not reply in Memes?
Spongebob text in several of your previous responses, I'm betting those "."s are supposed to be "claps"... That's a little annoying.

They have STORY. This isn't the same. Story DRIVEN means the intended driving force behind playing the game is that you would like to find out more of the story. Now this isn't REQUIRED that you pay attention, but it's understood to be a major focus of the developers and a large selling point of the game that not only does it have story, it's going to spend a significant amount of time and resources showing and expanding that story. If something is LOOT driven there's going to be a buttload of hype/mechanics/discussion about the stuff you get, if something is PVP driven there's going to be a gigantic amount of options, achievements and builds for PVP content.


Containing story and being driven by story are very different things.

[Vidu]

I'm easily triggered by the most ABSOLUTELY dumb stuff. Like it's so hard to trigger me outside of very small things like "FFXIV IS A STORY DRIVEN MMO" makes me want to club seals. Oh and the word "irregardless".



But they do and for the ones that really aren't...then the whole statement is completely unnecessary. Like that's the entire argument, if you think XIV is the only MMORPG that's story driven, you need to actually play one. If you don't...then why even state it? Why act so shocked if someone skips the story?

That sounds unhealthy.
Also, small question - is FFXIV not a story driven MMO then...? If saying "FFXIV is a story driven MMO" triggers you, but you claim that ALL MMOs are story driven... I'm not quite sure what to make out of that right now.

And please tell when I acted shocked that someone would skips the story? It doesnt shock me when someone does that, I just think that its weird they picked a game with so much story if all they wanna do is skip that - but I couldnt care less about how people end up playing the game as long as it doesnt interfere with what I'm getting. And since I mainly want a good story I care about the devs putting their focus on writing and developing one.
I dont think that FFXIV is the only story-driven MMO and I think I'm telling you this for the fourth time now? I only think that for FFXIV the story is more of a focus for the devs than it might be in other games ("more of a focus" doesnt equal "other MMOs dont have a story at all). If FFXIV had as much story as other MMOs we wouldnt get people here who complain that there are to many quests to do and to many cutscenes to watch. If every MMO was like FFXIV you wouldnt complain how this one "froces" its story on you while others dont.

All we're saying is that in the spirit of other FF games its unsurprising that this MMO "makes" you go through a long and involved story with cutscenes that give you warning "this might take a while now" - and if that isnt for you, that if you want a game that says "I dont really care wether or not my players go through the story" then I'm sure there are games like that out here.

[Nims]

yeah, like, FFXIV is totaly a PvP driven game too.

...What? You mean a PvP mmorpg? Bad analogy because there's no open world PvP or FvF and that's what makes an MMORPG a "PvP MMO". You can say FFXIV has PvP and has arenas...well because it does.

That sounds unhealthy.
Also, small question - is FFXIV not a story driven MMO then...? If saying "FFXIV is a story driven MMO" triggers you, but you claim that ALL MMOs are story driven... I'm not quite sure what to make out of that right now.

And please tell when I acted shocked that someone would skips the story? It doesnt shock me when someone does that, I just think that its weird they picked a game with so much story if all they wanna do is skip that - but I couldnt care less about how people end up playing the game as long as it doesnt interfere with what I'm getting. And since I mainly want a good story I care about the devs putting their focus on writing and developing one.
I dont think that FFXIV is the only story-driven MMO and I think I'm telling you this for the fourth time now? I only think that for FFXIV the story is more of a focus for the devs than it might be in other games ("more of a focus" doesnt equal "other MMOs dont have a story at all). If FFXIV had as much story as other MMOs we wouldnt get people here who complain that there are to many quests to do and to many cutscenes to watch. If every MMO was like FFXIV you wouldnt complain how this one "froces" its story on you while others dont.

All we're saying is that in the spirit of other FF games its unsurprising that this MMO "makes" you go through a long and involved story with cutscenes that give you warning "this might take a while now" - and if that isnt for you, that if you want a game that says "I dont really care wether or not my players go through the story" then I'm sure there are games like that out here.

It's not "unhealthy" because it's more along the lines of annoyed than actually angry or literally "triggered".

You answered your own question

When did I specifically say you were shocked?

Also what is it with this community where it's "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE STORY THEN LEAVE" me liking the story or not, how the story is or isn't told is IRRELEVANT to the topic at hand.

And it was a point of contention to your credit, but considering the developers themselves eventually conceded they had an MMO on their hands, albeit an "action MMO", it seems that Destiny 2 (possibly not Destiny 1) is an MMO by its own developers admission.



I said Developers do force you do things. As in that there are other developers who force you to play how they want. I apologize if that wasn't clear. Good thing we've cleared that up.


... can you not reply in Memes?
Spongebob text in several of your previous responses, I'm betting those "."s are supposed to be "claps"... That's a little annoying.

They have STORY. This isn't the same. Story DRIVEN means the intended driving force behind playing the game is that you would like to find out more of the story. Now this isn't REQUIRED that you pay attention, but it's understood to be a major focus of the developers and a large selling point of the game that not only does it have story, it's going to spend a significant amount of time and resources showing and expanding that story. If something is LOOT driven there's going to be a buttload of hype/mechanics/discussion about the stuff you get, if something is PVP driven there's going to be a gigantic amount of options, achievements and builds for PVP content.


Containing story and being driven by story are very different things.

Destiny 2 is still not considered a mmorpg, Bungie still hasn't classified that one and if you wanted to put any tag on it, it would be a "MMOFPS" Rpgs are generally more story heavy than FPS.

I'm still not sure you have it cleared up or you would've never tried to argue that fact.

Can I not reply in memes? You do realize people have been putting periods at the ends of words to stress meanings since before memes right? It's kind of annoying that you didn't know that and you're just trying to argue stuff without having a clue what's going on.

Again...I don't know how many times I have to type this, maybe reading isn't your strong point?

EVERY. MMORPG. IS. STORY. DRIVEN.

There's a reason you're in that dungeon.
There's a reason you're in that raid.
There's a reason you're killing that piglet creature.
Thee's a reason you're fighting the other faction.

All of that is story that's DRIVING you to do x, y, and z. Just because someone skipped the quest, doesn't mean that reason isn't there.

I think you don't fully understand the difference between having lore and a game being driven by its story. Ill use some simple examples for you.

Not even wasting a reply on this, go back re read the other post I made going over this. Why do people come here, reply, and then not read?

"Every game is story driven because there's a reason you're playing the game lololol."

Yeah, Heavy Rain is just as story driven as Super Mario Bros.

I said every "MMORPG" is story driven and it's important to express mmorpg, while yes those are games they're usually a story driven genre.

There are TONS of other genre of games that have absolutely zero lore and or story. If you're gonna be a smart ass, be smart.

[Sylve]

You’re arguing a point that I’m not arguing. I literally don’t care how FF games are.

Claim: FFXIV is a story based mmorpg
My point: EVERY MMORPG IS STORY BASED. Quests being optional in other mmos doesn’t mean there’s no lore. The quests just aren’t mandatory.

Counter point: Yeah well it’s a FF game!

That’s completely irrelevant to the fact that other mmorpgs are story based and story driven. I’ve played mmos with more lore than XIV.

It doesn’t matter if the lore is beyond raids. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in Easter eggs in game. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in books or on the forums. Or the story is forced on you or not. Plus liking mandatory quests =/= story driven.

My entire point is: ALL. MMORPGS. ARE. STORY. DRIVEN.


It’s in the name.

I think you don't fully understand the difference between having lore and a game being driven by its story. Ill use some simple examples for you.

World of Warcraft. It is an MMO with an incredibly rich lore.
FFXIV. Also an MMO. There is also a ton of lore for the game.

The key differences that make XIV Story Driven and WoW not lies in the delivery of that story and how relevant completing that story is to your ability to play the game in its entirety.

In WoW, you can start a brand new character, no life it to level cap and immediately dive into raids of the highest difficulty all without even doing a single quest with some very specific racial exceptions like Pandaren.
Now in FFXIV, you cannot raid without completing the MSQ. You will be denied access entirely unless you complete the story. Now, completion is not the same as paying attention to nor caring about the story, but you absolutely have to complete those quests in order to function. Hell, your job will barely function properly if you don't do the required Job Story Quests.

Furthermore, in FFXIV as a brand new character, you will be taken on a full journey from ARR through HW and Stormblood up to the current expansion. Boost potions excluded, you need to play through every expansions story in sequence in order to reach endgame. Each Expansion itself is a continuation of a single story that begins at level 1.
In WoW, every expansion that is not the current one takes place in its own little time bubble. They are disconnected from each other. Even though the events of WoD lead directly into the events of Legion and subsequently BfA, You can literally play through the Legion storyline without playing WoDs first.

I cannot think of any other MMOs that push the story so heavily that every activity we do is tied directly to it the way XIV does.

TL;DR, WoW has a story if you go looking for it. In FFXIV, you don't have a choice, the Story is only reason you have access to content at all.

[Seraphor]

"Every game is story driven because there's a reason you're playing the game lololol."

Yeah, Heavy Rain is just as story driven as Super Mario Bros.

[Fayt1203]

"Every game is story driven because there's a reason you're playing the game lololol."

Yeah, Heavy Rain is just as story driven as Super Mario Bros.

true and we can even further and say your life is story driven because it is

[Nezerius]

https://www.gamesradar.com/what-destiny-if-its-not-mmo/
https://gyazo.com/b2ce501f5e3f584203caca88c142cab7 That's if you simply google "Is Destiny an MMO?"

Here's an article from the same site you used. Also you can just google "Destiny is not an MMO" and look at all the other equally confused people and articles.

I find it hilarious how your retort is to link an article from 2013, and a wikipedia description. It's only been very recently that both Bungie's Creative Director and the General Manager have embraced the fact that Destiny 2 is an action MMO. Specifically mentioned during the reveal stream of the upcoming Shadowkeep expansion.

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

While other MMOs are obviously story driven, you also claimed that "they're all equally as focused on story as the next one." That claim would mean that you find WoW and FFXIV to be equally focused on the story. I'd like to see you say that with a straight face.

[SaberMaxwell]

Worth noting I think Nims hit their post cap and has been editing their responses into their latest post on the previous page.