MSQ

[SaberMaxwell]

There's no problem in skipping cutscenes, but there's no sympathy if you do so and don't understand the plot.

[Nims]

.. so.. other MMO's are also about the story but.. they don't make you watch the story.

I think this is the point that Vidu is trying to make. FFXIV is so much about the story that you HAVE to watch it to get anywhere in the game.

That literally doesn’t make sense lmao.

The other developers don’t force you to play how they want you to play. THATS the difference, just because a story is force doesn’t mean it’s more driven than another mmo.

[Krotoan]

That literally doesn’t make sense lmao.

The other developers don’t force you to play how they want you to play. THATS the difference, just because a story is force doesn’t mean it’s more driven than another mmo.

Sure they do, but since you like that playstyle you don't notice. Developers force you to move from map to map, developers force you to make new characters to experience other paths, developers force you to grind the same things over and over again to RNG weapons and stats. There are games out there that have variables on all of this. Loot-based shooter MMO, Exploration based Space-sim MMO.
Calling FFXIV "story based" is appropriate, because all the major advertisments tout the story first and foremost.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

WoW has a story?

FFXIV is the only MMO that actually makes me interested in its story.

[TheMightyMollusk]

WoW has a story?

WoW has many stories. The problem is that they work together about as well as peanut butter and battery acid.

[Nims]

I\\'m sorry if I worded my post badly, but to me it seems like you missed my point - you\\'re still using this negative expression about the story/lore being "forced on you" when you talk about the story. I can only assume that what you mean by that includes things like the heavy story-locks we have and maybe even that lore is expanded on during the MSQ (and not just hidden in the lorebooks or similar).
But here is the thing: thats what Final Fantasy is about. Its mainly about being told a story, so its no surprise that this MMO is also saying "Hey, great you\\'re here to listen to this epic story I want to tell you!"

I\\'m not trying to compare how much lore this game has to others (as in quantity or quality), I\\'m just trying to compare how much of a "spotlight" the game shines on its lore. By your account, FFXIV does this more (and going by your expression to much for your taste) than others - but thats excatly what some people want! They want all this lore and story presented to them while going through the game. They want it "forced" on them, because it doesnt feel forced to them.
I\\'m here because I want to enjoy a Final Fantasy story, so it doesnt feel forced onto me because thats what I want from this game. And I\\'m happy that everything is strongly connected to this mainstory. I\\'m happy that when I visit a dungeon I know excatly why I\\'m at this place right now, what history it has and what role it plays for the current story because I was told all that by an NPC in a bunch of textboxes giving me that background instead of just telling me "Go get item X out of the dungeon".

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You’re arguing a point that I’m not arguing. I literally don’t care how FF games are.

Claim: FFXIV is a story based mmorpg
My point: EVERY MMORPG IS STORY BASED. Quests being optional in other mmos doesn’t mean there’s no lore. The quests just aren’t mandatory.

Counter point: Yeah well it’s a FF game!

That’s completely irrelevant to the fact that other mmorpgs are story based and story driven. I’ve played mmos with more lore than XIV.

It doesn’t matter if the lore is beyond raids. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in Easter eggs in game. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in books or on the forums. Or the story is forced on you or not. Plus liking mandatory quests =/= story driven.

My entire point is: ALL. MMORPGS. ARE. STORY. DRIVEN.


It’s in the name.

[Fayt1203]

You’re arguing a point that I’m not arguing. I literally don’t care how FF games are.

Claim: FFXIV is a story based mmorpg
My point: EVERY MMORPG IS STORY BASED. Quests being optional in other mmos doesn’t mean there’s no lore. The quests just aren’t mandatory.

Counter point: Yeah well it’s a FF game!

That’s completely irrelevant to the fact that other mmorpgs are story based and story driven. I’ve played mmos with more lore than XIV.

It doesn’t matter if the lore is beyond raids. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in Easter eggs in game. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in books or on the forums. Or the story is forced on you or not. Plus liking mandatory quests =/= story driven.

My entire point is: ALL. MMORPGS. ARE. STORY. DRIVEN.


It’s in the name.

Wait i thought MMORPGS stand for massively multiplayer online role-playing game not massively online story driving game :P :P to say that all MMOrpgs are story driven it stretching it there are MMORPGS out there with barely any story in it

[Nims]

Wait i thought MMORPGS stand for massively multiplayer online role-playing game not massively online story driving game :P :P to say that all MMOrpgs are story driven it stretching it there are MMORPGS out there with barely any story in it

I already explained that several posts back. What ROLE PLAYING GAME isn't story driven?

There is absolutely no MMORPG on the market or that was on the market in the last 10 years that did not give you a reason for doing whatever it was you were doing.

There's lore behind the dungeon.
There's lore behind the raid bosses.
There's lore behind why you're killing that piglet looking creature.
And for PvP games there's lore behind why you're killing other players.

That's story/lore driven...the lore is driving you to do x, y, and z. It's up to you to read the quests or not. (If you don't, not shaming you I've only played one MMO with decent lore and it wasn't this one). But once again, I'll make this clear as I can, just because quests are forced on you doesn't make a mmo more story driven than the next.

Calling FFXIV "story based" is appropriate, because all the major advertisments tout the story first and foremost.

Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.

Well, I think thats the problem here - you dont care about how other FF games are and I dont care that much for other MMOs.

Ngl, that's where I stopped reading. That's not the problem at all, the problem is you're arguing points that I'm not making. You're going all over the place to have an argument when the debate at hand is EXTREMELY simple.

The point (AGAIN) is that all MMORPGS are story driven, XIV is not the only one. XIV forcing quests on you does not make it story driven and make the other ones not.

EZ.

[Vidu]

I already explained that several posts back. What ROLE PLAYING GAME isn't story driven?

There is absolutely no MMORPG on the market or that was on the market in the last 10 years that did not give you a reason for doing whatever it was you were doing.

There's lore behind the dungeon.
There's lore behind the raid bosses.
There's lore behind why you're killing that piglet looking creature.
And for PvP games there's lore behind why you're killing other players.

That's story/lore driven...the lore is driving you to do x, y, and z. It's up to you to read the quests or not. (If you don't, not shaming you I've only played one MMO with decent lore and it wasn't this one). But once again, I'll make this clear as I can, just because quests are forced on you doesn't make a mmo more story driven than the next.



Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.




Ngl, that's where I stopped reading. That's not the problem at all, the problem is you're arguing points that I'm not making. You're going all over the place to have an argument when the debate at hand is EXTREMELY simple.

The point (AGAIN) is that all MMORPGS are story driven, XIV is not the only one. XIV forcing quests on you does not make it story driven and make the other ones not.

EZ.

...I'll just leave this here again: you keep confusing "lore" and "story" which makes a lot of your arguments rather weak and confusing.

A game can have a lot of lore and very little story - or very little lore and a lot of story. Those words dont have the same meaning.

To me it just seems more and more clear that FFXIV isnt the game you want it to be. Thats okay. That doesnt make the game bad, though. This game, with its "forced" quests and story is the game the devs want to make - and enough people who are familiar with this type of game like it enough to keep it going, myself included.

[Nims]

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I'm not confusing "lore" and "story" I use them interchangeably (which is technically incorrect) because I just simply don't care about any of it. It's all lore and story to me.

Also when did I say it is or isn't the game I want it to be? When did I make a formal complaint in this thread about XIV at all? There you go again arguing stuff that I never did.

NO, I don't like forced lore, however that was never an argument, I never asked nor suggested that, that format be changed here. The only thing that triggered me was people saying this is a story driven mmorpg as if others aren't. "ItS sToRy DrIvEn DuN sKiP!" Yeah all the other mmos are story driven and most people skip it.

That's incorrect, Eve for one example, all about the ships and the exploration, maybe some lore behind it but nobody I know talks about that. Destiny & Destiny 2, small mention of story, huge focus on the guns and gear.

In some of the games you play, but not all. It's like they're focused and made differently.

Destiny is not a MMORPG, Bungie has stated several times it's not. Even though it plays EXACTLY like one and I too thought it was that and called it that, but no they're not mmorpgs.

Yes...I said "some" never made the claim "all" however them forcing different things on people or not doesn't change the fact that it's still story driven....not sure what point you thought you had there.

Are you for real ? Its an argument about skipping story cinematic. If it seems like people are making a big deal about it maybe its because it is. The size of the said story content is so enormous people argue its fine to skip it, maybe its because it represente a massive part of the game I don't know...
People argue that the game lack in endgame after the story... well maybe its because the story already take the most of the ressources and maybe it does BECAUSE ITS THE MAIN ATTRACTION OF THE GAME.

Its like taking a milkshake and argue that its not a milk based product because you can have strawberry in it.

No it's a big deal to SOME people because it's obvious a lot of those people are here because it's a FF game first to them. If people are saying there's no end game because of the story that's simply false lol. If the entire and main point of this game was only story there wouldn't be nearly as much fluff and other stuff we have now, it would end after the story.

HOWEVER the amount of end game content has absolutely zero to do with if a MMO is story driven or not. Especially since in most other mmos the raids tie into the story...