White Mage Overflow

[TonberiScholar]

I agree, Whm right now is overpowered and on top of that Ast/Sch feels less interesting as ever, I hope 5.05 and maybe 5.1 address this problems but seeing what the devs delivered in 5.0 I'm not sure that they are able to fix it

The saddest part about this?

Nerfing WHM won't fix anything.

It shouldn't be nerfed, period. If they're going to be so stubborn as to completely lock it out of raid DPS buffs, it needs to have a lead in personal DPS roughly proportional to the "selfish DPS" vs "support DPS" dichotomy elsewhere (modified by whatever proportion of DPS'ing time they're assuming).

But breaking off all the bits that don't fit into the WHM-lite mold for every other Healer and then buffing WHM sets a bad precedent for healer identity/diversity going forward.

About the only thing that'd make the outlook gloomier is if they end up nerfing WHM after using "it's underperforming" as an excuse to kill off the other Healer gameplay styles that were previously represented.

[aiqa]

If they're going to be so stubborn as to completely lock it out of raid DPS buffs

It's dumb there are so many complaints about healers being made to similar, and in the same breath players ask for healers to be made even more similar (but of course similar to their own preferred job).
WHM never was a buff class, and players that enjoy WHM are very likely not the players that enjoy buffing others.
It's fine to "fight" for your own preferred class to keep it's own identity and playstyle, but it's dumb to try get other classes changed to mirror your own preferred class and playstyle.
Even more so if your main complaint is SCH being to similar to WHM now.

[TonberiScholar]

It's dumb there are so many complaints about healers being made to similar, and in the same breath players ask for healers to be made even more similar (but of course similar to their own preferred job).
WHM never was a buff class, and players that enjoy WHM are very likely not the players that enjoy buffing others.
It's fine to "fight" for your own preferred class to keep it's own identity and playstyle, but it's dumb to try get other classes changed to mirror your own preferred class and playstyle.
Even more so if your main complaint is SCH being to similar to WHM now.

Getting a raid DPS buff added (even something like Chain Stratagem where it's an oGCD you hit once every two minutes or so) would've solved the "oh noes WHM is weak and no one wants it in raids" problem that existed in Stormblood without requiring any other changes.

Compare that to how much had to be broken or removed on AST/SCH to make them more like WHM.

Adding a single skill that you hit once every two minutes back in Stormblood would've let them keep WHM 99.9% the same as it is now in Shadowbringers without requiring them to gut AST/SCH, while also going a long way towards solving the "WHM doesn't offer a DPS increase" thing that was bandied about so heavily during Stormblood.

Instead, SCH/AST lost :

• Bane
• Miasma (and the concept of being the "DoT-focused" healer
• Shadowflare
• Targeted Fairy Control
• Different Fairy Abilities
• Energy Drain
• Non-damaging Card buffs (between 3 and 5 depending how you count)
• Stun on CO
• Most of AST's healing potencies
• Some of AST's shielding potencies
• Ability to extend buffs (bet we're getting Time Mage as a Caster DPS)

Against all that...you're complaining about the potential of WHM getting one ability.

The two situations aren't even remotely comparable.

The most laughable part?

"Designated Healers" in story instances have damage buffs for the party. Go look at Lamitt in the Physical DPS Roleplay quest (I believe 76?)

My "preferred playstyle" doesn't exist in this game anymore because of your Jobmates' constant whining.

[aiqa]

#snip*

You're the one that is doing all these SCH vs WHM things, in stead of just saying "I want SCH to be like this and that" you're making suggestions for changing mechanics other classes to "fix" your own preferred class.
And then you're attacking players about their opinions about SCH changes, even if they never actually gave their opinion.
So you're doing exactly what you're complaining about, while the people you're attacking are not, and I was pointing that out.
If you can't see that, it's probably time to take a break from the forums wars for a day or two.

[Billythepancake]

You're the one that is doing all these SCH vs WHM things, in stead of just saying "I want SCH to be like this and that" you're making suggestions for changing mechanics other classes to "fix" your own preferred class.
And then you're attacking players about their opinions about SCH changes, even if they never actually gave their opinion.
So you're doing exactly what you're complaining about, while the people you're attacking are not, and I was pointing that out.
If you can't see that, it's probably time to take a break from the forums wars for a day or two.

His point, from how I understand it anyhow, isnt that they should change WHM completely, you could've added a single buff to them, ie. A debuff that raises magic vulvn by 5 percent every 2 minutes, and then they wouldn't have had to do the other healer changes they did. Whether it's intentional or not, the changes they did come off as them gutting the other two healers just to make WHM better, when in reality, all they had to do was just make WHM better. Obviously, they're not going to go back and change all that now the soonest we could expect big changes is, sadly, 6.0, the most we can hope for at this point is that they at least fix some of the issues on AST/SCH so they arent dreadful to play for 2 years.

[WaxSw]

The saddest part about this?

Nerfing WHM won't fix anything.

It shouldn't be nerfed, period. If they're going to be so stubborn as to completely lock it out of raid DPS buffs, it needs to have a lead in personal DPS roughly proportional to the "selfish DPS" vs "support DPS" dichotomy elsewhere (modified by whatever proportion of DPS'ing time they're assuming).

But breaking off all the bits that don't fit into the WHM-lite mold for every other Healer and then buffing WHM sets a bad precedent for healer identity/diversity going forward.

About the only thing that'd make the outlook gloomier is if they end up nerfing WHM after using "it's underperforming" as an excuse to kill off the other Healer gameplay styles that were previously represented.

Yes you're right devs shouldn't nerf whm, it should be a strong job, the problem is that to make it relevant the devs destroyed the other 2 jobs in terms of performance (ast being more destroyed than sch) and fun. Honestly everything that I and probably most of Sch/Ast are asking for is to have their jobs as viable as whm and to have the interesting and fun mechanics back which I sadly dont see happening (and I hope I'm wrong)

[RoseyDevlin]

People probably will get angry at me for this but after maxing out sch/ast and now lvling whm...What I don't understand is why would they take away aeo stun skill with long cd from ast who has lowest heals yet keep whm constant aeo spammable stun. Out of all the healers with their toolkits, whm as the strongest healer does not need constant aeo stun on top of it. Dungeons itself are already easy as whm and that aeo stun is too op. Whats the point of having strongest heals when you can stun all the mobs while having highest healer dps along with it.