White Mage Overflow

[RoseyDevlin]

People probably will get angry at me for this but after maxing out sch/ast and now lvling whm...What I don't understand is why would they take away aeo stun skill with long cd from ast who has lowest heals yet keep whm constant aeo spammable stun. Out of all the healers with their toolkits, whm as the strongest healer does not need constant aeo stun on top of it. Dungeons itself are already easy as whm and that aeo stun is too op. Whats the point of having strongest heals when you can stun all the mobs while having highest healer dps along with it.

[EaMett]

Also WHM doesn't need a party buff. They just need pDPS that is equivalent to the pDPS+rDPS of the other healers. The problem is that given the nature of rDPS scaling better with gear progression it means they need to treat it like BLM and SAM and buff them throughout the raiding tiers to make up for it. Something they've severely overlooked in the past.

[TonberiScholar]

The problem is that given the nature of rDPS scaling better with gear progression it means they need to treat it like BLM and SAM and buff them throughout the raiding tiers to make up for it. Something they've severely overlooked in the past.

So much this.

That's why, even though I'm a gigantic salt pile right now (and becoming moreso with every gloating post I see), I still think it'd be a terrible idea for them to nerf WHM's pDPS.

It needs to be treated almost exactly like "BLM of Healers" in this case and they need to stick with it, up to and including the periodic potency increases EaMett mentioned.

His point, from how I understand it anyhow, isnt that they should change WHM completely, you could've added a single buff to them, ie. A debuff that raises magic vulvn by 5 percent every 2 minutes, and then they wouldn't have had to do the other healer changes they did. Whether it's intentional or not, the changes they did come off as them gutting the other two healers just to make WHM better, when in reality, all they had to do was just make WHM better. Obviously, they're not going to go back and change all that now the soonest we could expect big changes is, sadly, 6.0, the most we can hope for at this point is that they at least fix some of the issues on AST/SCH so they arent dreadful to play for 2 years.

Yup, you said it more coherently than I did.

A small change two years ago (even if it was just, as Billy said, like a debuff on an enemy to avoid the "don't give every healer a buff" thing) would've saved a world of trouble and probably let them avoid most of the changes they made this time around. Could even attach it to Fluid Aura (instead of the Bind).


While I'm "what if"'ing...

Shadowbringers White Mage - Leave it as it is in-game now, though I think getting ahead of the curve a little by buffing Misery a bit to where it's DPS-neutral on single-target would be a good idea.

A mix between Stormblood and Shadowbringers SCH - Nerf Chain Strat, don't add Seraph, Recitation or Art of War. Keep Fey Blessing I guess. Leave Bane/manual Fairy control/Rouse/Shadowflare and keep the lower ET cooldown from ShB. Move most of Miasma II's potency from the initial hit to the DoT effect. While I'm hoping I'd also like to bring back Bio/Bio II and replace Ruin II with one of 'em, but I was a fan of HW SCH so yeah.

A split between late Stormblood/Shadowbringers AST - Remove Royal Road and make all the cards be substat buffs: Crit/Direct Hit/Skillspeed/Spellspeed/Determination and a Tenacity/Piety combo. Adjust as necessary (meaning Crit/Direct Hit would be smaller and Det and the Ten/Piety combo would need to be huge). Remove the healing buffs from the Sects but don't nerf the Potencies on top. Leave Divination at like a 6% buff with a shorter cooldown (but at least a minute). And do...something...for Nocturnal Sect, it's kinda embarrassing.


Those three combined would simultaneously be the closest this game's gotten to "Healer Balance" while also leaving us at the most differentiated the Healers have ever been from a playstyle perspective.

Balance it to where AST/WHM is a higher rDPS combo basically no matter what you do and go from there. "Lots of oGCDs and Fairy" vs "absolute massive piles of added damage by Healer standards" is a far closer "competition" point than anything they've tried previously.

Oh well.

[TankHunter678]

A split between late Stormblood/Shadowbringers AST - Remove Royal Road and make all the cards be substat buffs: Crit/Direct Hit/Skillspeed/Spellspeed/Determination and a Tenacity/Piety combo. Adjust as necessary (meaning Crit/Direct Hit would be smaller and Det and the Ten/Piety combo would need to be huge). Remove the healing buffs from the Sects but don't nerf the Potencies on top. Leave Divination at like a 6% buff with a shorter cooldown (but at least a minute). And do...something...for Nocturnal Sect, it's kinda embarrassing.

It would be better to not remove royal road, royal road was a big part in the thought processes of the card system aside from the buffs themselves. Ewer and Bole should be left alone. Balance could be made DH and Spire Det. There is no point to make a Tenacity buff that would have to be stupidly massive to not be garbage and ONLY works on tanks when Bole was already basically a tank cooldown in and of itself that could work on DPS and healers as well as the tanks. There is also no need to make a piety buff that ONLY works on healers when Ewer already did that job but better since it does not need a huge number to make up for the weakness of the effect and could be applied to casters as well to help them with their MP issues.

Divination frankly is uninspiring and boring, not to mention its need for the seal system is probably part of the reason the buffs were homogenized to begin with. It is better off gone since Royal Road does everything better then divination and is thought provoking.

Oh and if you remove the sects healing boost you need to buff the potencies. The reason why the potencies feel too weak currently is because they were balanced around the existence of 15% boosted healing for using a sect. Noct would actually be useful if the 15% healing boost for using the sect was returned, even better if you cut the MP cost increase down a bit so that instead of being 10% of your MP for one shield it was closer to 6 or 7%.

[SweetestLily]

You especially notice this in pf when you browse through parties and see that every healer in every single one is a whm.

[Vibronix]

I just want my AST cards back

[Semirhage]

Getting a raid DPS buff added (even something like Chain Stratagem where it's an oGCD you hit once every two minutes or so) would've solved the "oh noes WHM is weak and no one wants it in raids" problem that existed in Stormblood without requiring any other changes.
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My "preferred playstyle" doesn't exist in this game anymore because of your Jobmates' constant whining.

This is all true. Ish. This also depends on what changes aim to achieve. Giving WHM utility would have patched that particular complaint (one that still annoys me about the job... I'm glad people are having fun on WHM this expansion, but I'd personally want something more for downtime than Glare Mage).

If your design goal is to unseat Scholar as the locked-slot superhero healer, now that's a trickier piece of business. There's a lot of design between all three healers you'd need to do there if you want to accomplish that without leaving Scholar a wretched mess. I think they tried to do that, and somehow landed in the grey zone between "wretched mess" and "still pretty crazy".

[Lethros]

It's not constant stun because targets start to resist it after the first use. It helps a bit but not for long. Holy is harder to execute. You have to cast it, and it doesn't hit until about a GCD after the cast. Art of War is basically 2 GCDs ahead in time, you can move while using it, and can weave oGCDs.

[DawnSolaria]

It's not constant stun because targets start to resist it after the first use. It helps a bit but not for long. Holy is harder to execute. You have to cast it, and it doesn't hit until about a GCD after the cast. Art of War is basically 2 GCDs ahead in time, you can move while using it, and can weave oGCDs.

Lol holy is harder to use, literally cancels all attack and aoe from mobs so you can just literally cast holy and nothing else, but nooo it's harder to use than the other 2 aoe that doesn't cc in anyway.

[Lethros]

Maybe instead of jumping to a rude response you could have at least read and thought about what I said.