Lack of End Game Content

[Avraym]

We all know Final Fantasy has a formula for each expansion. The question is, is it enough to keep max level players sated.

Scottzone breaks down his thoughts in the below and articulates it better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPGDmkb-j8

In my opinion, Shadowbringers overall is a fantastic expansion, with rich story telling, awe inspiring visuals and songs that are pieces of art. Unfortunately, once you hit max level, have acquired your extreme and tome gears - one can find themselves asking, "Is that it?".

Eden Savage is a much needed and welcomed addition, but 4 fights don't feel like enough end game content to keep a player busy. The game feels like it needs content between Eden Normal and Eden Savage.

I know new tomes are coming out in 2 weeks, but farming old content for tomes doesn't feel like enough.

In every other MMORPG I played, I never ran out of content to do at max level within less than two weeks of an expansion. There was always plenty to keep my max level busy and challenged.

Am I alone in wishing that we had more to keep our max level classes busy? I feel like the game offers so much "along the way to 80", but it just stops there and wants to level something else.

The game has grown substantially over the years and has definitely attracted more like minded people who are used to having plenty of options of end game content in its competitors.

In the interests of the games longevity and continued support of its subscribers, its a conversation worth having.

I'm interested in knowing what other players think who have experienced other MMORPGS at max level. Do you find yourself running out of things to do at max level? Obviously this excludes things like, leveling, old content etc.

If not - please provide examples of the kind of content you play at level 80 that keeps you busy.

[Nixxe]

I definitely feel like this game never really has enough content, especially if progression raiding doesn't interest you. That's why I unsub for roughly half of every expansion. Never really had that issue with WoW. If I unsubbed from WoW, it's because I was bored of WoW, not because I ran out of things I could do. It would be nice if there were more things to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath. They seem pretty content with their formula. All of the random nonsense that got added in ARR seems to have been a fluke.

[Avraym]

I definitely feel like this game never really has enough content, especially if progression raiding doesn't interest you. That's why I unsub for roughly half of every expansion. Never really had that issue with WoW. If I unsubbed from WoW, it's because I was bored of WoW, not because I ran out of things I could do. It would be nice if there were more things to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath. They seem pretty content with their formula. All of the random nonsense that got added in ARR seems to have been a fluke.

Exactly! Take WoW for example.. I never really found farming azerite or world quests to be "thrilling". But i was kept busy and entertained.

Mythics provided a new way to keep old content fresh and challenging, whilst providing rewards that were relevant for the efforts put in.

This all end game content that outside outside of raiding.

You could still progress your character, everyday with your friends or alone, little by little. And that keeps a lot of players subscribed.

[Losara]

I can't say I have maxed out all my classes to level 80 in the time since the expansion came out but when that occurs I will likely take a break and return when more content is available. If you look on the forums of ESO, WoW and GW2 for example most the time you'll see complaints from people about lack of end game content. I don't think theres any game that actually handles it well.

If there are complaints about lack of content in end game its worth playing 2 different MMOs at the same time so that when there's a lack of content in one game you can fall back on the other and then return later etc.

[NessaWyvern]

I mean, if you only do PvE content, and only play one or two classes, you can find yourself running out of content, but there's more than enough side-content to do. I still haven't run out of things to do, even after 6 years of playing.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Been here since launch, still haven't run out of things to do.

[Avraym]

Been here since launch, still haven't run out of things to do.

I've been here since 1.0 aswell. Could you please allude to what end game content keeps you busy and entertained?

[Avraym]

I can't say I have maxed out all my classes to level 80 in the time since the expansion came out but when that occurs I will likely take a break and return when more content is available. If you look on the forums of ESO, WoW and GW2 for example most the time you'll see complaints from people about lack of end game content. I don't think theres any game that actually handles it well.

If there are complaints about lack of content in end game its worth playing 2 different MMOs at the same time so that when there's a lack of content in one game you can fall back on the other and then return later etc.

I would disagree - WoW mythics kept a LOT of end game players busy and entertained since they were almost "limitless". Each time they felt a little different with the randomised modifiers and drops.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I've been here since 1.0 aswell. Could you please allude to what end game content keeps you busy and entertained?

Does it have to be end game content? I do lots of random things. Maps, raids, ex's, glamour farms, old content, gold saucer stuff, crafting/gathering log completion progress, bigfish quests. My sub has never lapsed, tho i took a month off for life stuff.

[Avraym]

Does it have to be end game content? I do lots of random things. Maps, raids, ex's, glamour farms, old content, gold saucer stuff, crafting/gathering log completion progress, bigfish quests. My sub has never lapsed, tho i took a month off for life stuff.

I mean - the thread title does say end game content :P

The game offers a LOT of non end game content, like what you mentioned, but this is a discussion specifically for max level content.

But thank you for giving examples. Other opinions are always valued.