If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[NessaWyvern]

Methinks people are forgetting the CONJ. class quests which revolves around a healer needing to do more than just heals. :P

[MrKusakabe]

It's a difference in playstyle, I'm perfectly within the TOS to kick you simply because I don't like your face. And there's absolutely nothing you can do to prove it's for any other reason.

If the entire party agrees to kick you, that means multiple people agree that what you are doing is wrong.

Let's be honest here: People usually just press "KICK" for almost everything.


In Leauge of Legends, it went as bad as that: The Tribunal, a pool where player reports would be funneld into, was once (past tense for a reason) ruled by players. RIOT figured out and openly admit that the majority would press "PUNISH" anyways no matter what the actual case is, and now it's back to automated.


When people see this window, they want to get rid of it as soon as possible and don't really care what actually happened, because when spoken up to, you are the next one to be kicked. And if it's the tank that started the poll, the majority will just cave in because searching for a tank replacement can be a PITA and to avoid that, they lick the tank's boots rather than standing up for the blamed one. That does not reflect you are right with your awful atittude, it just shows how cowardly and streamlined many people are.



Also, aren't you the one that proudly kicks everyone and everything when it does not go your way? This amount, especially with boasting, could be considered as "griefing" and you are basically admitting it openly - Who would want to play a game where the players openly state they kick for healers focussing on healing (because that is what is going on essentially)...



Another thing: I wonder who is upvoting you - because out of the anonymity, that'd be an interesting thing to look at.

[ADVSS]

Cant say much for the healing, but even the trust healers start to deal damage and cast their spells pretty often, if youre not eating a lot of avoidable damage. This is just personal opinion but if healer dps wasnt considered for these fights, why do you even have a S,S,S requirement, for any given fight? To me, that statement was just PR, everyone knows its the context, not the truth.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

As a whm main i can tell you that there is no instance not even in extreme where you "Need" to heal 100% of the time. If you are not healing you should be doing dps, not using your dps abilities just because its not your role is lazy and means your not being a team player. Everyone should be trying their best to complete the content. You would get mad if a tank did only just enough skills to keep aggro and pop cooldowns, so don't be lazy.

HOWEVER dps and tanks need to keep in mind that MP management is not as brain dead as it was in previous expansions. This goes double for SCH and AST since they don't have nearly as many tools to help them with this issue. The more your group messes up the more MP that is needed to heal them. This means that a healer can reach a critically low on mp zone and may require to stop using dps spells to keep a safe amount of MP in case the group needs heals. Most likely if your entering this zone your group is going to require those heals. If your team is needing more than 2-3 resurrects I wouldn't be expecting record breaking numbers from your healer.

[Kelani]

I've not read all the responses to this, only some of them. I enjoy healing and will continue to heal. However, I just wanted to put my point across regarding people calling those that don't always dps in dungeons "lazy". Whilst I'm in agreement that when you don't need to heal you should dps, I have a disability that affects my movement and also at times my concentration. So, with the new changes to healing, the lesser mp etc, I'm basically having to "relearn" when the best time to dps is (surprising how not having protect actually makes a difference) conserving mp (my favourite healing class is AST) and also when not to "overheal" which for me is a lot to take in at one time. So, basically, I'm feeling like I did when I first started to heal... At times, not confident enough to dps in certain fights. Lower dungeons yeah I get, I will dps, but when it comes to higher level dungeons (admittedly I'm still completing HW on a different character, long story) I'm finding myself healing more, managing my cards, and occasionally throwing out a DOT. I know that once I get used to the new changes I will dps a lot more and become more confident, but I just wanted to put my opinion across that maybe the reason why some don't dps isn't down to "laziness" but down to confidence. Thank you for taking the time to read this

[Halivel]

Do you have specific examples of where you were challenged for not dpsing in the new content? Because I've yet to even have more than a 'hi' in the many that I've done so far.

Same here, hardly see anything aside "Hello/GG TY". Though, I should probably notice here that OP is from NA data center while you (and me) are from EU. And... ahem-akhem, let's be frankly here: European community is quite calm in general though we have our toxic personalities, too ofc. Maybe that's due to big language diversity so people just shy to write in chat in bad English, but it is what it is.

[NinjaTaru72]

Now that my rant is out of the way. I'll say, from the way they're handling it they want to focus healers not doing dps.

And yet people are still trying to force it.

At this rate Id laugh if they potentially "lock" dps actions for healers when entering any dungeons. It would certainly put a stop to players trying to force healers to dps

[Joven]

At what stage does this reach 'agree to disagree' and everyone moves on with their lives? Nobody is changing anyone's minds in one camp or the other so continuing this circular argument ad nauseam is pointless.

[ScarboroughFairy]

At this rate Id laugh if they potentially "lock" dps actions for healers when entering any dungeons. It would certainly put a stop to players trying to force healers to dps

The damage such a senseless idea would do to the game. You are no less extreme in your rhetoric than the very people you admonish for being toxic.

[Melorie]

I know that once I get used to the new changes I will dps a lot more and become more confident, but I just wanted to put my opinion across that maybe the reason why some don't dps isn't down to "laziness" but down to confidence. Thank you for taking the time to read this

Hey, I believe that most of the people that claim in favor of healing DPS and say that people that refuse to DPS are lazy are not including people with some sort of disability, or new people that are learning, people that are adjusting, etc, since most of healers have been through that stage of learning and adjusting. Not DPSing because you don't feel like you can and are busy enough is one thing, not DPSing because you simply don't want to even if you have room for it is another.

It's just that, if you play this game and say that you are a pure healer or healers shouldn't DPS... Well, there's something wrong, you're probably choosing to stay idle. Because it's very clear that, for the majority of the playerbase that play this for a long time and doesn't have any sort of disability, the fights of this game, for good or bad, have a lot of room for DPS. You'll probably notice that even the fights that you struggle now, the more you comfortable you are, the less you heal.

Besides, when we're in a party we can clearly see when people are trying their best to heal or are struggling with healing and when people are just there, waiting for someone to take damage. Very different things.

Now that my rant is out of the way. I'll say, from the way they're handling it they want to focus healers not doing dps.

And yet people are still trying to force it.

Please go level your healers and actually get experience in this role before throwing stupid suggestions. Thanks. It is very clear, even from new content, that healers must DPS if they want to do SOMETHING besides overhealing.