If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[Connor]

God this thread lol

No wonder nobody wants to be a healer

[Joven]

Next time I go in a dungeon, I'll pull wall to walk and proceed to not deal any damage. My job is to tank after all isn't it? Not deal damage, that's not my job.

If something gets aggro on something else, I will take it back and proceed to sit there.

It's the DPS job to deal damage, not mine. I'm just here to make sure things are aggro on me.

See how ridiculous this sounds?

Even if you're just standing there holding the enemies and pulling them off of others you're still doing your duty as a tank, just like if a healer only heals, they're still doing their duty. If you just pulled and let the mobs run where ever after then you wouldn't be doing your duty.

[Enla]

If you're not at least putting out a dot as a healer you're slowing the group down. You don't have to Holy/Art of War/Gravity spam if you don't want to, though I will HEAVILY side eye you for not helping with trash pulls as well, but if you cannot even be bothered to cast an insta-dot on the boss you're lazy.. Healers that don't DPS are just as bad as the ones that ONLY DPS in my eyes.

[kidalutz]

As most don't know, DPS is expensive mana wise now and rezzes are 25% of your entire mana supply. There are times when all I can do is heal and then idle to recharge mana. I don't mind tossing out a few DPS spells or a dot but with the current healer setup, its near impossible to ABC. Healers don't have the bottomless well of mana they used to have.

As to the WHM DPS potency, yea they need a nerf, a big one too.

NO I dont think they do I think you all just need to enjoy the fact that for once WHM is finally in a good place instead of pissing and moaning because they are.I dont recall any WHM players screaming for nerfs when SCH and AST put them on the bench permanantly.

[IttyBitty]

Healing requirements haven't changed much so...yeah? Of course you're going to be expected to continue contributing DPS?

If you're not casting heals (and you better not be spending your time overhealing just to be "active" because that's no better than doing nothing) and you're not casting damage spells, what are you doing with your time? Because it certainly ain't being active.

I have healed wall to wall pulls in every dungeon throughout the levelling experience and have DPSed the entire time. It's pretty much the same as it ever was. People just got so used to overgearing content that they now think there was some magical ramping of difficulty when....there really hasn't been.

[Miste]

I dont recall any WHM players screaming for nerfs when SCH and AST put them on the bench permanantly.

You....obviously didn't pay close enough attention then. That definitely happened A LOT.

It is good that WHM seems to be in a good place, but the aim is to make ALL the healers in a good place?

[kidalutz]

You....obviously didn't pay close enough attention then. That definitely happened A LOT.

It is good that WHM seems to be in a good place, but the aim is to make ALL the healers in a good place?

Nerfs aint the answer thats a fact.

[JBee]

It's funny how with this topic people assume one end of the spectrum or the other, when the reality is in the middle.

Healers are having to spend spending more time using their HEALING KIT vs their DPS KIT. Depending on the content, levels, gears, skills, etc, some healers are going to struggle to keep the tank up, others are going to have much fewer issues. That's not changed.

Mana Management is more a consideration now. Keeping Lucid on CD is pretty normal now - no need to hang on to it in case you get agro, cause no agro dump with it anymore.

Saying a healer is not dps'ing... that's a pretty freaking broad generalization. That's like taking your car to get worked on and saying "it makes a noise" with zero context.

It's one thing for the healer to be spamming their HEAL KIT to keep you and the group alive and not having the time or resources to contribute a lot to the dps side of things. I as a dps or a tank would never tell the healer to dps more if I can tell they are being active in a meaningful way. And I don't cound spamming "Cure" non stop being meaningful. If they are legit trying to heal, then who cares.

It's not a fair comparison to say the same for a player who stands there choosing to not participate for 30 seconds at a time. That's not a healer not dps'ing, that's a bad player. Same goes for a dps or a tank. Equally not ok for a boss fight to start in a dungeon, and when the boss hits 50% HP is when one of the two dps decides arbitrarily to participate. Not ok.

I think most people know the difference between the two.

Some people, though, especially those trying the EX and such, are pulling the elitiest attitudes though. Not all, but some. The healers would have time to dps more if the others did better - cooldowns, mechs, etc.

I think the trust system the more time goes on was a mistake. Lot of people ran through them as a tank or dps.... and those trust npcs are not a fair representation of the player job equivalents. AST doesn't get a full heal like the trust system does, for one. Think it set up some incorrect expectations. "Well the trust healer had no problems keeping me up..."

[Crushnight]

oh boy this argument again.

Care to take it up with the developers, every single hlr job questline, novice network for hlrs, solo instances, solo open world content require you to DPS.

These buttons do not disappear once your in a party with other players, you should heal 1st dps second, not heal 1st stand afk for who knows how much of a fight because yea no healing needed, a couple of secs here and there adds up and you look worse the more you do nothing.

[Shurrikhan]

Even if you're just standing there holding the enemies and pulling them off of others you're still doing your duty as a tank, just like if a healer only heals, they're still doing their duty.

Person 1: I'll need you to be working constantly at the highest level you can because you determine the pace of all work done here.
Person 2: I'll need you to be working constantly at the highest level you can because you determine the pace of all work done here.
Person 3: You just need to sign whatever those guys finish. That's it. Don't even need to read it, really. Sure, you could do more, but someone mislabeled your job as "signatures guy" so I guess that's all we can expect of you.
Person 4: Take phone calls. That's it. We get a few per day. Sure, you could do everything the main guys do at only slightly lesser efficiency over your massive amounts of spare time, but someone mislabeled your job as "phone guy" so I guess that's all we can expect of you.

You then pay them all the same.

...See the issue?