Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Ateliae]

I really wanted to be a bunny boy, but was disappointed that they weren't added. I support adding Male Viera and Female Hrothgar for sure.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

well zanarkand, how i see it, is that judging purely from all the information we have for patch plans, we're having: ishgard restoration. probably a larger scale version of the doman enclave restoration, plus a refurbished diadem. i don't see this taking up an extraordinary amount of development time considering that they have a large amount of assets already done and dusted, with them needing alterations, which is much less intensive than creating the assets from scratch. we also have raids, alliance raids, hard sb dungeons, new story dungeons, which are pretty standard.

Id rather them work from Scratch and NOT reuse assets for developing Female Hrothgar, or Male Viera.
Be better if they take their time instead of just rushing it by taking shortcuts. Plus they need to Animate Unique Stances and emotes, and create voice pitches. Not to mention they'll need to make Customization for Character creation, AND fit the hundreds of gear sets.
Id rather them not rush this by reusing assets or taking shortcuts. I want them to do this right, and to take the time to do it.
Im not against the idea of your Prediction, but I both dont see it happening, and would rather see it happen at least CLOSE to the Next Expansion.

[Mochamonarch]

Probably a good deal of bandwagon spite more than any real concern about the lore - because if that were their concern, you'd at least expect them to get it right.

Because it was never about the lore.

The reason behind everyone who opposes male Viera this vehemently is not because of lore or immersion, but because the lizard brain gut reaction is "Male rabbits?! I don't find men attractive! Ew!!"

That's the reason, because the idea of people making male bunnies and some people slutting them up like people have been doing with every other race makes them wanna vom. One person in this thread even broke out with the true reason saying "I just don't want to see male rabbits running around". It's the reason whenever someone brings up ERPers, or yaoi, fujoshi, or whatever have you. They don't like the idea of attractive males, and the idea of them potentially being sexualized; when the same has been done with every race in this game thus far, male or otherwise.

It's a bad reason, but it is one nonetheless. I just wish everyone were as honest as that one poster. Just say you don't like manservice and go.

Anyway, here to show my support for male viera. until then, I just rolled a fem model and made the character a cross dresser IC to explain his looks.

[Zeonx]

Because it was never about the lore.

Says who?

I know a few people who rather the lore be intact than have male viera, I would say lore plays a huge part of it regardless what you say you don't speak for others who want that lore to stick.
Male Viera never once made a appearance its like the male version of mithra in FFXI it never came but they showed one later down the road and boy was it yeah ugly as hell.

There is the issue.

If in fact they go through with Male Viera and decide to make it ugly or fat short stubby whatever the case and not handsome I betcha anything people would be right back in the forums demanding it changes because that's not how they see male viera.

Guess what that is up to SE what the Male version looks like nobody else's would you even accept it if they did and would all of this be for nothing because you don't play it after the release.

If they did make it, I believe it would be a rugged looking viera heavy set and different ears not long and not so feminine looking, but that's me like everyone else's guess.

SE if they do make it I am sure its not going to be what people visioned it to be.

[Mochamonarch]

Says who?

I know a few people who rather the lore be intact than have male viera, I would say lore plays a huge part of it regardless what you say you don't speak for others who want that lore to stick.
Male Viera never once made a appearance its like the male version of mithra in FFXI it never came but they showed one later down the road and boy was it yeah ugly as hell.

There is the issue.

If in fact they go through with Male Viera and decide to make it ugly or fat short stubby whatever the case and not handsome I betcha anything people would be right back in the forums demanding it changes because that's not how they see male viera.

Guess what that is up to SE what the Male version looks like nobody else's would you even accept it if they did and would all of this be for nothing because you don't play it after the release.

If they did make it, I believe it would be a rugged looking viera heavy set and different ears not long and not so feminine looking, but that's me like everyone else's guess.

SE if they do make it I am sure its not going to be what people visioned it to be.

Exhibit A, this is exactly what I was talking about.

Why do you care if male Viera would be made unattractive? You know for a fact squeenix wouldn't even dream of doing anything like that. How do I know this? Because they already have a short and pudgy race; the lalafel; And know what happened? The fanbase gobbled them up like candy and asked for more, the JP players in particular. Also, the fact that one of your points is the attractive level of the male viera shows you care an awful lot about how attractive these potential male bunnies would be, and the satisfaction of the players depending on their attraction level.

Besides, yoshi already said if they were to happen, they'd be similar to elezen in body type, much like the female viera.

I would say lore plays a huge part of it regardless what you say you don't speak for others who want that lore to stick.

Please look at this picture and say that sentence again. And if you have anything else to say about the sanctity of lore after that, say it to the picture.

Super morbidly obese chocobos aren't the most lore friendly, nor is a flying T-rex, whale, or chrstimas bear that throws presents at you. Yet here we are.

The lore is meaningless. FF14 has been universally considered the final fantasy theme park for a long time now; the regalia mount, and the soon-to-be Neir crossover event that is going to be canon iirc cements that the sanctity of the lore is an illusion. They pump this game full of anything and everything they want because that's what this game is for. The fact that viera were even added in the first place shows this. They want to make the people happy by shoving in as many ff references as they can fit in their code.

So once again:

Just say you don't like manservice and go.

[Lauront]

Says who?

And how would the lore not be intact, when there already are male Viera? There is also similar lore for female Viera not being seen - it was forbidden to them to leave, until some decided to do so. So you're invoking lore from the other FF settings, but again even those have male Viera.

Again, FFXIV is not beholden to the lore of other FF settings, and Matsuno has no issue with the addition of male Viera and is even enthusiastic about the concept. It takes no small amount of conceit, IMO, to say they should not be added for "lore" reasons, when 1) they do exist and 2) their creator has no issue with them being given substance in XIV. Existing lore can be tweaked to provide them a reason to be seen, much like it implicitly has been for female Viera.

We already know SE has no intention of making them fat or ugly, so that's a non-starter. I am quite fine with them being rugged and muscular. They've already put out concept art for them before. The way Yoshi-P describes their hypothetical appearance is not far off from it. Was it an issue that they made the females attractive? Knowing that most people would not play them if they were not.

[Kobalos]

It's a bad reason, but it is one nonetheless. I just wish everyone were as honest as that one poster. Just say you don't like manservice and go.

This person gets it. It boils down to mostly straight guys being 'Eww no male buns are gay!' So of course they are gunna be salivating over their half neekid big booty bunny lasses while calling anyone that wants male buns a pervert XD

[Duskane]

it is a scummy reason for people not wanting male viera but it is true been in a couple Discord servers saying how they don't want male viera for those reasons
its not everyone's reason for not wanting them but for sure its a side of it

[Zeonx]

And how would the lore not be intact, when there already are male Viera?

Really show me a picture.

I don't want to see the picture that devs made years ago that is called a concept art.

Concept art is a form of illustration used to convey an idea for use in films, video games, animation, comic books, or other media before it is put into the final product.

Meaning changes can be made before release but please indulge me show me a male viera.

Rules of showing me proof.

No animated fan art.
no concept art.

Show me the produced male Viera you claim there that was made or exist.

[Zeonx]

Exhibit A, this is exactly what I was talking about.

Why do you care if male Viera would be made unattractive? :

and you proved my point also? Why do you care that I would want it differently?

you basically denounce others for your own opinion, then try to pass it off like we are only doing it because we are straight.


WRONG.

What people are basically saying if Male Viera is created we want it to be tough rugged looking heavy set and people have the right to say that, others would want it the other way just because you want it to look good doesn't mean it wont but if it don't I don't expect you being for it I expect you to be right back here complaining about why it doesn't match your taste after wanting the race for this long.

and you don't like that idea because if we want it a certain way it SE will have to look at both sides and thus making it into something else entirely because you want what you say to matter only.

Even if I don't want it because of lore, if it comes I want it to look a certain way and that way is not feminine sorry but yeah and it ain't for the reasons you claim.

but it ain't up to you or I its up to the devs.

and as long as its on the playing field I am going to ask for a Fat rugged heavy set viera with ears slicked back no too tall not to small, even if I don't want it for lore purposes. if you want to think what you wanna think go ahead. lol

This person gets it. It boils down to mostly straight guys being 'Eww no male buns are gay!' So of course they are gunna be salivating over their half neekid big booty bunny lasses while calling anyone that wants male buns a pervert XD

of course this is what I mean, you see it one way I see it another.