Scholar 5.0 Discussion

[LariaKirin]

To see fairy's name:

Settings -> Character -> Control -> Target -> Untick "Disable targetting of pets and minions when in battle".

[Hawklaser]

After getting my Sch to 80, I got a bit more insight into things. Lv 80 feels great to me in comparison to lv70-73. I think the big difference is mostly from Recitation, Sacred Soil Regen and Seraph providing reliable tools for the first large pulls, as well as general use and crisis situations. While I still think Sch could use something to burn an extra aetherflow stack here and there during low healing demand situations, I really think Sch needs a non-crit version of Recitation for the lower levels first, since Aetherflow is wiped on dungeon entrance and can't be gained out of combat now. It might not be as bad at lower levels, but I know that was the biggest pain point for me from 70-73.

[Kolsykol]

I know that this might not be the most important thing for some people, but Broil 3 looks really weird imo lol.

[Brandedblade]

I know that this might not be the most important thing for some people, but Broil 3 looks really weird imo lol.

I think it's pretty neat, you summon a pair of magic glyphs and launch a magic missile volley, it's my personal favorite of the new healer nukes. But yeah...

[Ilenya]

I think the big difference is mostly from Recitation...

I have to agree with this right here. Recitation made a HUGE difference in my comfort level once I picked it up. Though I really only use it for Adloquium and Excogitation, it's still amazingly useful and helps me feel like my old SCH self again.

I have to ask in general, though. Does anyone feel like the out of combat MP regen is tuned a little low?

[Dyvid]

So I main SMN, not SCH but since I have access to it at 80 here are some of my thoughts...


-Summon Seraph has an additional effect that reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay of self and nearby party members by 3%. Basically the 4.0 Fey Wind effect
-Reduce potency of Art of War but add DoT?
-Add Mialysis that inflicts the target with (20s potency over 30s)?

As for Energy Drain, do you need it for DPS or mana restoration?

[Hawklaser]

As for Energy Drain, do you need it for DPS or mana restoration?

I mostly used it for MP management, and a spot to dump excess aetherflow stacks prior to re-using aetherflow. Sometimes I actually used it to heal up from incidental damage. But rarely if ever did I use it just for its damage. If I was using it for damage, it often was because an insta-wipe mechanic dps check was looking pretty borderline on if would succeed or fail.

[Kyumimi]

So I main SMN, not SCH but since I have access to it at 80 here are some of my thoughts...


-Summon Seraph has an additional effect that reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay of self and nearby party members by 3%. Basically the 4.0 Fey Wind effect
-Reduce potency of Art of War but add DoT?
-Add Mialysis that inflicts the target with (20s potency over 30s)?

As for Energy Drain, do you need it for DPS or mana restoration?

While it is true SCH got a huge potency increase to their healing capacity, it doesn't really change the underlying issues that many of our skills burn mana without a real means to recover it. Aetherflow is 1k every 60 seconds, and Lucid Dreaming is not viable due to the 2 minute CD. Energy Drain, or whichever alternative they would choose to give us, is almost mandatory for our mana upkeep. Every other job has an 'ebb and flow' system built into their resources, but healers were stripped of their mechanics to regain mana consistently.

Scholar, in my opinion, needs a skill that burns one stack of Aetherflow for another 10% of MP. Considering we need to balance that resource with our more potent heal spells and damage mitigation I think that would be fairly balanced.

For Astrologian I think the best way to deal with it is to play into their card system. Let's say that rather than using 3 different colors, if you match 3 of the same it restores 30-40% of MP in one swoop. This reduces frustration if you accidentally burn a card you didn't want to match and gives them an intuitive way to recycle mana in a pinch.

While White Mage is mostly fine from what the overall consensus is, after getting Assize nerfed I don't think they would be hurting for a spell that perhaps in trade of a Blood Lily grants everyone some regen, though less potent than their other options, and restores a chunk of MP.

[Ilenya]

...and Lucid Dreaming is not viable due to the 2 minute CD...

Have you...Tried using it? Lucid isn't a 2 minute cooldown anymore.

[Nihility]

in my experience so far
WHM is really strong and fun to play. Not really much to comment on than maybe a damage lily spender just for the sake of sometimes you need to spend one but don't really need the heal
SCH feels bad leveling but at 80 it's a healing machine way beyond the other two healers. They actually have so many tools giving them energy drain back just to burn unused aetherflow when the timer comes back would be good. Maybe a shift in level learned for some skills might make the leveling less awful feeling?
AST feels about the same as before but it is really weak by comparison to the other two. Some of the potencies are just just way off the mark and the cards don't even make up for it's personal dps compared to the other two it seems like