Thread: Scholar 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by charmwitch

- My most annoying problem right now is that I have a phantom limb situation with Energy Drain. When I am unable to drop stacks in order to refresh my stacks, I feel like I'm solely wasting perfectly good stacks. I either heal, or I don't, and refresh the stacks. It's mostly very unfulfilling.

I think the most important thing here is whether or not you need to be using Aetherflow every 60 seconds to avoid running out of mp. If your MP isn't requiring the 10% restore every 60 seconds, then there's not really a reason why you should be trying to use Aetherflow as soon as it comes off cd instead of waiting until you've used up your stacks. This is what we tended to do back in 2.x where we had 0 mp problems. I know in stormblood there was much more need to aetherflow every 45 seconds for the mp, so dumping stacks around 40 seconds to drop the cooldown all the way to 45 seconds and then aetherflow again was really good, especially since your AF dump was both damage and additional mp restore. It might just be the mindset needs to shift again, but that depends heavily on how mp efficiency is atm.

Honestly, If we're supposed to heal so much, wouldn't Miasma II fit that model a lot better than Art of War? Hit Miasma 2, heal for a bit, hit it again. Repeat.

Aren't the Devs contradicting themselves a bit with that ability?

Some posted their suggestions on how it could change so wanted to try my hand aswell. The orginal thoughts spanned four pages so I'll try to condensate it:

1. Bring back mortal and buffable Lily, and restore their fairy skills to the pet Hotbar including Embrace. Joy of scholar was feeling I worked in tandom with the fairy. They seemed to make Silence a big thing in regular content which could mean Selene's skill a chance to shine more.
2. Restore ACN skills. Reason I felt SCH was engaging was combining abilities with all the different things you could do that stemmed from Arcanist skills like Energy Drain, Bane, Sustain, Virus, Shadowflare, E4E, Rouse, the Dots on different durations and especially Miasma 2.
3. I feel I take as long to kill an overworld mob as I do on PLD. Only difference is on pld I use 10 skills, on SCH I use 3. I would like to see damage on Broil III, Ruin 2 and Biolysis reduced and it's potencies spread over 3 more dots to manage to make combat more engaging. Then maybe have Ruin 2 as some kind of finisher based on how many dots you have up.
4. I feel Fey Union could now be replaced by a stronger Rouse. And instead, with fairy skills restored, have our own "Dark Arts". Call it "Fey Exhiliration", and the next non-Embrace Fairy skill you use costs Fairy gauge and gets an additional effect.
5. Instead of Lucid Dreamning, let AF restore 20% mana again (and give each healer an interesting way to restore their mana).
6. Quickend Aetherflow was fun. I would like to see it restored.
7. Recitation. This is like the skill scholars should always want, but never get. I say remove it and Catalyse. The few times you manage to spread a critical adlo was such a thrill without equal.
Edit: 8. How could I forget. A Cleric Stance that still comes with a risk. Like +20% damage -50% healing and a 5 sec cooldown before you can leave the stance.
Bonus. Flavored Esunas once again in the form of Leeches.

In short:
I'd like to have more buttons to achieve the same effect we have now, having to wrangle the fairy to do so, do same amount of damage with more effort and instead of being a healing powerhouse achieve less damage going to the party through buffs and debuffs.

Anyone got a good grip on Seraph use yet? I have only done the optional dungeons, not the new EX trials yet, and have only used it just to try it out, I haven't had an actual use for it. It seems clunky and weird, because the actual seraph CD is 2minutes and lasts 20s, but it doesn't last long enough to put two Consolations(CD is 20s but effect lasts 30s...) without them overlapping(it's not as if we can cast consolation right after due to the GCD on literally everything now)

IDK, I'm gonna need to play with Seraph a lot to figure out optimal use... I'm increasingly confused behind the design idea behind 5.0 Scholar.

Originally Posted by Endeleon

Anyone got a good grip on Seraph use yet? I have only done the optional dungeons, not the new EX trials yet, and have only used it just to try it out, I haven't had an actual use for it. It seems clunky and weird, because the actual seraph CD is 2minutes and lasts 20s, but it doesn't last long enough to put two Consolations(CD is 20s but effect lasts 30s...) without them overlapping(it's not as if we can cast consolation right after due to the GCD on literally everything now)

IDK, I'm gonna need to play with Seraph a lot to figure out optimal use... I'm increasingly confused behind the design idea behind 5.0 Scholar.

Consolation can stack with your other shields so it's good in that regard. Basically you want to Consol when you summon seraph and right before she goes away.

I like the new SCH tbh

I'm happy that Shadowflare is gone, that Skill was just annoying af
DPS Rotation is a bit boring, that's true. But it was never rly entertaining anyway. Just the same as AST had it, and i'm fine with that.

SCH has the best healing kit now (again)
Soil OP, the new Skills are all good

Only Dissipation is a bit useless until now, maybe this will change in savage & ultimates.

For Atherflow it would be good, to have an extra Skill which give us Mana back, if we don't need the Stacks and Atherflow is already back on CD.
A Dmg Skill is not needed for the Stacks, just something that give either Mana or a small healing Buff