A popular MMO reviewer gave FFXIV Shadowbringers the thumbs down o.o

[Abriael]

Agreed! YouTubers actually research what they talk about instead of bashing players and devs that don't agree with the author's personal beliefs.

I don't really care if you have a hard-on for this specific YouTuber, but before defending such a blatant display of arrogant ignorance, I'd think twice.

This whole video could be summarized with "I believe I know about game design better than game developers, and I'll go out of my way to sound like a complete arrogant asshat while expressing that concept over and over for eight minutes and change"

Incompetence would be bad enough, but when it's paired with arrogance it becomes toxic.

[CazzT]

nice dodge, but im still waiting to hear where i was wrong?

What are you talking about dodging?

How are you wrong? Well, since you asked.... Someone with that many 70s is more than qualified to criticize and speak on the flaws of the game. They clearly have enough time invested to have seen enough of the game. So your own attempt at deplatforming someone backfires.

And it doesn't matter how many 70s they have anyway. Most art and movie critics cannot create the things they critique. You weren't addressing the argument, you were attacking the person making the argument.

[Abriael]

What are you talking about dodging?

How are you wrong? Well, since you asked.... Someone with that many 70s is more than qualified to criticize and speak on the flaws of the game. They clearly have enough time invested to have seen enough of the game. So your own attempt at deplatforming someone backfires.

And it doesn't matter how many 70s they have anyway. Most art and movie critics cannot create the things they critique. You weren't addressing the argument, you were attacking the person making the argument.

Most art and movie critics are able to critique art and movies without going out of their way to disrespect the artists and directors as much as humanly possible.

No matter how many 70's you have. If you're unable to understand this basic concept, and this particular YouTuber obviously is not, then you have no business being a critic.

Which is the point, because this is no critique. It's called a "rant," and even as a rant, it's a poor one.

[CazzT]

I don't really care if you have a hard-on for this specific YouTuber, but before defending such a blatant display of arrogant ignorance, I'd think twice.

What a strange to quote from me and to then insult me while doing it. I wasn't defending TLP with this comment. I was defending YouTubers in general. Chill on the accusations, mate.

This whole video could be summarized with "I believe I know about game design better than game developers, and I'll go out of my way to sound like a complete arrogant asshat while expressing that concept over and over for eight minutes and change"

If that's your interpretation, that's your interpretation. Perhaps you should take some time and watch some of his other reviews. He's actually quite fair. He's praised FFXIV in past videos. But I guess since he made one that doesn't shower it praise he must be "arrogant" and ignorant", right? What an uninformed, narrow-minded view.

Incompetence would be bad enough, but when it's paired with arrogance it becomes toxic.

Kinda like your reply to me.

Most art and movie critics are able to critique art and movies without going out of their way to disrespect the artists and directors as much as humanly possible.

No matter how many 70's you have. If you're unable to understand this basic concept, and this particular YouTuber obviously is not, then you have no business being a critic.

How many of TLP's videos have you watched? Just this one? I'm feeling it's a safe bet to say it's just this one. If you've even watched this one at all and you're not just jumping on the hatewagon. You keep speaking of arrogance and ignorance, but everything you're saying about him shows you're ignorant of his content, or put another way, you haven't taken the time to watch anything he's done.

I'm sure you'll accuse me, again, of defending him. I would defend someone I disagree with the same way if I saw them being accused of something by someone who clearly knows nothing about the person.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

What are you talking about dodging?

How are you wrong? Well, since you asked.... Someone with that many 70s is more than qualified to criticize and speak on the flaws of the game. They clearly have enough time invested to have seen enough of the game. So your own attempt at deplatforming someone backfires.

And it doesn't matter how many 70s they have anyway. Most art and movie critics cannot create the things they critique. You weren't addressing the argument, you were attacking the person making the argument.

You are incorrect in your assumption of my meaning. The post was defending the maker of a video claiming the leveling and the game was shit. I simply pointed out that it is odd someone has put soo much voluntary time into a game they didn't like. Even so much as to create numerous characters on such a bad game. I was pointing out a flaw with their position not their character. I have posted numerous times on the flaws in Lazy Peon's video if you would like to reference those and give a position the discourse is welcome.

[Abriael]

What a strange to quote from me and to then insult me while doing it. I wasn't defending TLP with this comment. I was defending YouTubers in general. Chill on the accusations, mate.

Considering that a lot of YouTubers have zero quality control and zero journalistic responsibility, you may want to think twice before picking this hill for your last stand. Say what you want about gaming journalists, but at the very least most are able to maintain a respectful stance towards developers even when they're heavily criticizing a game.

That's obviously something this particular YouTube is unable or unwilling to do with his continuous jabs at "the developers" and that's certainly an aspect that plagues YouTubers in a rather widespread way, considering that one of the primary ways (if not THE primary way) to be successful on YouTube is being as hyperbolic and over the top as possible.

If that's your interpretation, that's your interpretation. Perhaps you should take some time and watch some of his other reviews. He's actually quite fair. He's praised FFXIV in past videos. But I guess since he made one that doesn't shower it praise he must be "arrogant" and ignorant", right? What an uninformed, narrow-minded view.

I have no interest or reason to give this person any more attention or any more of my time. We're talking about a specific video, and this specific video is chock full of arrogant, toxic attacks and jabs towards the game's developers, which is pretty literally the worst possible way to approach critique.

How many of TLP's videos have you watched? Just this one? I'm feeling it's a safe bet to say it's just this one. If you've even watched this one at all and you're not just jumping on the hatewagon. You keep speaking of arrogance and ignorance, but everything you're saying about him shows you're ignorant of his content, or put another way, you haven't taken the time to watch anything he's done.

I'm sure you'll accuse me, again, of defending him. I would defend someone I disagree with the same way if I saw them being accused of something by someone who clearly knows nothing about the person.

This is a pretty poor attempt at deflection. We're talking about a very specific video about a very specific game. His "content" is irrelevant. After seeing a video literally drooling arrogance and lack of respect towards a whole development team, the mask is off.

If a restaurant puts a rotten, flea-ridden appetizer on my table, I have no need to go through the whole meal to know it's a bad restaurant.

[Fhaerron]

So?

Some youtubers don't like this, other youtubers like this.

You know, my neigbour bought a blue car ... like really awful colour, but he likes the colour and is happy with it.
Meanwhile I would never get that colour and prefer my black car.
^ pretty much the same as the game.

People are different, there is this strange thing called 'opinions & tastes' ever heard about it?

[CazzT]

You are incorrect in your assumption of my meaning. The post was defending the maker of a video claiming the leveling and the game was shit. I simply pointed out that it is odd someone has put soo much voluntary time into a game they didn't like. Even so much as to create numerous characters on such a bad game. I was pointing out a flaw with their position not their character. I have posted numerous times on the flaws in Lazy Peon's video if you would like to reference those and give a position the discourse is welcome.

Nothing about what you just said can even be implied from what I originally quoted from you. It's most certainly not what you said.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

Nothing about what you just said can even be implied from what I originally quoted from you. It's most certainly not what you said.

That might not be what you understood but that is what I meant plain and simple. If your interpretation was different I don't know what to tell you. I explained myself and that's where I'm going to leave it.

[Ashennae]

I don't agree with TheLazyPeon's review, but I really don't agree at all with the people slamming him over his own opinion. People are allowed to like or dislike this game, because not everyone is going to find FFXIV appealing.

Although poorly executed, TheLazyPeon's review does have a point that if you don't enjoy the story, leveling is incredibly dull and limited. Moreover, early game prior to Post-Titan to Garuda (around late 30s early 40s) is really slow and does require a lot of teleporting all over Eorzea. The bit around Titan Normal Mode where you have to do unrelated chores for old adventurers comes to mind as an example, as well as the memetic "Pray return to the waking sands" quote spouted by Minfilia every time you complete an arc. Also the slowest dungeon in the game, Level 24 Duty Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, is a major point of contention for many players both old and new alike. A lot of content such as glamour, switching jobs, and the ability to travel to other regions is gated behind MSQ, unlike in games such as WoW where you can ignore the main story and still have access to most features, areas, and expansions at any point. If the story doesn't grab you, or you don't like grinding quests/leves, you're not going to want to spend more than 30 hours in the game, let alone 100+ that TheLazyPeon claims. While skipping cutscenes and dialogue can significantly shorten the game, it kneecaps one of FFXIV's strongest aspects. However, given the notorious grindy nature of previous installments of the Final Fantasy series as well as the grindy nature of MMORPGs, most would expect an MMORPG under the Final Fantasy brand to be both story-focused and grind-heavy. After all, one cannot expect to get to level cap in a matter of hours from only doing a few quests.

TheLazyPeon also brought up boosting at almost the cost of a month of subscription, but World of Warcraft also has level boosts which run about the cost of four months (14.99$USD for subscription, 60$USD for the level boost). Granted, you get a free level boost with the purchase of the latest expansion at 49.99 (sales and complete collection not included), but the point still stands that FFXIV's level boosts are far cheaper. At around 4 minutes, 30 seconds TheLazyPeon states, "And I think the only reason the main questline is designed this way is because it's so bad that they probably make a lot of money from people paying not to do it" this line is a major hasty generalization fallacy, to add on to the repeated "leveling is boring" circular argument fallacy repeated throughout the video.

Overall, TheLazyPeon did not cover the game professionally, rather, he didn't give the story a chance and dismissed it based on the fact that he skipped several hours. Rather than give constructive examples as to how the story was boring, he just waved off the game based on points that are mostly typical of other MMORPGs such as WoW (lots of world quests to grind rep and get gear for raids and back in the old days you had to grind certain dungeons/raids for months on end to get top gear). His review didn't do FFXIV justice and was lacking in many vital components to make for a solid review.