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    Estelle Joyeaux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millybonk View Post
    Cherry-picking cases in which MP is indeed either part of the rotation or a non-factor.

    What's with a WHM spamming Holy?
    It's an AoE spell which does damage, but spamming is prevented due to its cost + WHM needing the MP for heals.
    ...unless you make use of WHM's extensive MP-management abilities to handle the drain. Between Thin Air, Assize, and Lucid, the only time WHM should run out of MP while Holy-spamming is if they're not using those abilities effectively or when the rest of your party's DPS is bad. And you also hit on the exact reason MP wasn't removed - it's a cap on heal-spamming, and particularly on rez-spamming. Playing as a healer means managing your MP and not using healing spells over and over again unnecessarily, and this applies to a lesser extent to RDM as well (re: Verraise spam).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph522 View Post
    ...unless you make use of WHM's extensive MP-management abilities to handle the drain. Between Thin Air, Assize, and Lucid, the only time WHM should run out of MP while Holy-spamming is if they're not using those abilities effectively or when the rest of your party's DPS is bad. And you also hit on the exact reason MP wasn't removed - it's a cap on heal-spamming, and particularly on rez-spamming. Playing as a healer means managing your MP and not using healing spells over and over again unnecessarily, and this applies to a lesser extent to RDM as well (re: Verraise spam).
    You are correct of course, but why should a MP class in WHM be forced to use several CDs just to keep his AoE-spamming up, when a TP class can do the same now for free without having to do anything else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millybonk View Post
    You are correct of course, but why should a MP class in WHM be forced to use several CDs just to keep his AoE-spamming up, when a TP class can do the same now for free without having to do anything else?
    Because magical classes use spells, physical classes just swing their arms, they do not use aether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millybonk View Post
    You are correct of course, but why should a MP class in WHM be forced to use several CDs just to keep his AoE-spamming up, when a TP class can do the same now for free without having to do anything else?
    No, this is a good point... why not remove the limiting factor on these AoEs as well with the CD being the limiter like other classes?

    There is a hard cap now on mp for healing resource management. It really is inconsistent. Tanks can spam AoEs without taking away from tanking ability... healers should be able to do the same, and isolate the healing resource management to healing spells requiring mp.
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    Last edited by ApolloGenX; 06-29-2019 at 12:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millybonk View Post
    You are correct of course, but why should a MP class in WHM be forced to use several CDs just to keep his AoE-spamming up, when a TP class can do the same now for free without having to do anything else?

    Because not everything needs to be the same.
    Please, let's not ruin this game like blizzard did with wow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    Because not everything needs to be the same.
    Please, let's not ruin this game like blizzard did with wow
    That's not even an argument you presented which would falsify my point about TP classes now being able to AoE spam, while MP classes still have to manage their resouces.

    With Shadowbringers SQ already did large parts to copy WoW: simplifications, removal of choice(SCH losing Selene as a buff pet, now she's just there as a cosmetic), loss of abilities etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millybonk View Post
    That's not even an argument you presented which would falsify my point about TP classes now being able to AoE spam, while MP classes still have to manage their resouces.

    With Shadowbringers SQ already did large parts to copy WoW: simplifications, removal of choice(SCH losing Selene as a buff pet, now she's just there as a cosmetic), loss of abilities etc.
    Yes, they have simplified and homogenized quite a bit- I wonder why this glaring exception?
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