Healer boycott in 5.0

[Sebazy]

The difference is priority - Green DPS players would heal up if absolutely necessary or not heal until after the fight even if players died.

I'm going to stop you right there.

It seems like you're confusing Green DPS players with bad players. The DPS aspect of things is irrelevant, it doesn't matter if they're getting distracted by a Stone IV button or a movement forcing mechanic. They are still bad.

Attitudes like yours are quite literally ruining this game for competent and capable healers FYI.

[Brandedblade]

I'm going to stop you right there.

It seems like you're confusing Green DPS players with bad players. The DPS aspect of things is irrelevant, it doesn't matter if they're getting distracted by a Stone IV button or a movement forcing mechanic. They are still bad.

Attitudes like yours are quite literally ruining this game for competent and capable healers FYI.

Huh??? What am I reading?

[Sebazy]

Huh??? What am I reading?

What am I missing? =(

[Brandedblade]

Attitudes like yours are quite literally ruining this game for competent and capable healers FYI.

...........?

[Yulja]

Yeah, the healers are definately far from unplayable, we just need to make sure we effectively feedback how we want to see them improved, maybe we could make a thread consolidating all of the healer feedback and all of us upvote it so its easy for them to find, maybe a discord to organise it and collect all the feedback and consolidate it could be an option.

what does everyone think?

I also thought about a Thread where we can gather all the issues and information we have for the changes. Especially highlighting the biggest issues and if SE wants to get to know what the Forum think, they have one big Thread with all issues and even ideas for changes? I would definitely help there! But how should we address that? Discord might be a good idea.

[Kabooa]

Attitudes like yours are quite literally ruining this game for competent and capable healers FYI.

It wasn't our attitude that created the idea that anyone not spending every GCD on damage is bad.

[kidalutz]

I also thought about a Thread where we can gather all the issues and information we have for the changes. Especially highlighting the biggest issues and if SE wants to get to know what the Forum think, they have one big Thread with all issues and even ideas for changes? I would definitely help there! But how should we address that? Discord might be a good idea.

have anyone of the calmer minds start the first post my suggestion would be the science guy they tend to come off as a condescending know it all but they're eloquent and well worded English is obviously a first language for them.

[Sebazy]

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Is it actually worth me expanding on why I feel this way? This thread is enough of a train wreck as it is and I honestly didn't want to post in it at all

It wasn't our attitude that created the idea that anyone not spending every GCD on damage is bad.

Actually I'd argue that it was.

Very very few if any top flight healers will ever suggest that you should be blowing every GCD on damage. This is just bluster that's made up to justify this whole pointless argument.

ABC, Always Be Casting is step one.

Being alert is step two.

GCD efficiency is step three.

But that doesn't fit the agenda nearly as well does it? =(

[Atlantasia]

Going by interviews - I think it was either Gamerescape or Famitsu - its because there were signs of a lot of healers (especially Scholars) that played their class more as Green DPS then as healers with a DPS kit. The difference is priority - Green DPS players would heal up if absolutely necessary or not heal until after the fight even if players died. Healers with a DPS kit tend to DPS on freedom but put attention on healing. I've had runs in several dungeons - especially Copperbell Hard for some reason - where the entire party kept wiping because the healers would not heal through a fight.

Right now I feel like healers were stripped to the barest minimum so they can see how much they can add before people are spending more time caring about DPS then healing.

Bad players are going to remain as bad players whether you remove tools or give them more. I DPS all the time on healers in instances (all three, but especially my WHM main), even with lag or real life distractions, I very rarely let my tanks die or my party wipe. Usually when it occurs, it's due to not just my own error, but the tank's lack of defensive cool down usage and/or failed mechanics on the part of the DPS/Tank. It's like punishing the good players because of the mistakes of the bad players. That's not right.

When I do play DPS or Tanks, usually if my healer is bad, it's not because they're DPSing, it's because they're not doing much of anything in general.

[Knoahl]

Is it actually worth me expanding on why I feel this way? This thread is enough of a train wreck as it is and I honestly didn't want to post in it at all

That it is, and I think you have expanded many times why you feel that way, it's just a shame this person chooses to act like a goldfish in every thread he has been in.

We should focus on being constructive, I really think consolidating the information we have gathered amongst our own findings at launch is the best way to go forward, then we can give proper elucidated feedback on how we can improve the healer feel and gameplay as the expansion progresses and hopefully lead up to a well made 4th healer. Better late than never, it's about time we got the actual opinions on healers out not the "iz oki plz wait until out" like we have like Stormbloods Lilies etc.