Would you run daily challenge dungeons?

[Fynlar]

Normally, I would agree, but Yoshida himself has said if they were to work on something new, they would have to sacrifice on something else. So at least for this game, it is absolutely necessary for each player to support what they support and to be against what they have no interest in doing unless they could be assured it would not impact their choice of activity negatively.

There would be nearly nothing involved in making a new "content" like this. The dungeons are already there in the game, it's just applying the Minimum IL restriction (already present in game, it even already has the effect of boosting drop rates in certain content) and a damage multiplier, and tying it to a "roulette".

[kidalutz]

There would be nearly nothing involved in making a new "content" like this. The dungeons are already there in the game, it's just applying the Minimum IL restriction (already present in game, it even already has the effect of boosting drop rates in certain content) and a damage multiplier, and tying it to a "roulette".

You also have to ensure the new programming doesnt interfere with the old programming ensure that it doesnt show up in any other roulette by mistake also have to change up the entire drop system for the special gear etc etc. It entails alot more work than you think it does.

[Fynlar]

You also have to ensure the new programming doesnt interfere with the old programming ensure that it doesnt show up in any other roulette by mistake also have to change up the entire drop system for the special gear etc etc. It entails alot more work than you think it does.

It's still not really equatable to designing entirely new content/areas/fights. The groundwork is all based off of stuff that's already there in game.

[linay]

It's still not really equatable to designing entirely new content/areas/fights. The groundwork is all based off of stuff that's already there in game.

Maybe or maybe not. I personally don't mind (though again, I prefer trial over dungeon, and no race against time) and might even try it, but each player has to decide whether or not they think this will interfere with how they play the game.

Also, what about rewards? Would this be just for cosmetic items and the like or an actual alternative for progression?

[Shurrikhan]

Hate to burst y'all's bubbles but this question has been addressed already:
https://youtu.be/_bDYAtfPfqo?t=229

Bascially they are aware people are asking for this but they would rather concentrate on new content and creating new experiences like the Baldesion Arsenal.

Your "bubble-bursing" needle...

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The topic at hand.

Making new dungeons, as Yoshida implies there, has nothing to do with simply slapping on Min ilvl and a general mob-buff onto any existing dungeon.

But, by all means, let's ignore all pitifully easy ways to make already existent content fresh and entertaining and instead focus on making new content that less than 5% of players will see, locked behind a 30+ hour grind.

[linay]

Making new dungeons, as Yoshida implies there, has nothing to do with simply slapping on Min ilvl and a general mob-buff onto any existing dungeon.

That still requires development effort to ensure the specified challenges for all applicable dungeons will work with their current battle system balance.

[Reinha]

As long as you would be able to queue for them directly without the roulette and choose which to run, I would be interested.

Yes, I pictured these challenge dungeons only being accessible one at a time through that Daily Challenge category. All the normal dungeons would still be available in the Dungeon category and through Expert and Level 80 Dungeon Roulettes.

If there were no timer, and one could queue into them solo in DF with a reasonable expectation of finishing it ... still only a maybe.

It would probably be best to allow both premades and matchmaking. Many players like to do content with friends and statics but a lot of content in the game is already designed with that assumption in mind. Take PotD and HoH for example. I'd enjoy having a new thing to do with random people which doesn't require commitment.

Would I do them actively would depend mostly on if they're actually worth doing and can reliably be done with PUGs.

I think the nature of dungeons being a collection of short encounters with relatively few mechanics allows them to both be challenging and able to be completed in random groups. Coordination via voice chat isn't as necessary if the difficulty comes primarily from playing your role optimally and not from moving to positions in perfect harmony.

Also, what about rewards? Would this be just for cosmetic items and the like or an actual alternative for progression?

This is the hardest thing to plan. It's not good if this new content invalidates existing content, but it also has to be worth doing for some people. I would welcome more suggestions regarding the incentives for doing these dungeons.

This what I had in mind in the opening post. Collectors would like the cosmetic armor from the achievement and also the guaranteed minion, mount and music drops, although they'd still have to win the roll to get those items. I would personally prefer to farm any unique glamour sets with steady progress through achievements instead of drops within the dungeons. The rare dyes could make some money or just be useful for glamour enthusiasts.

The gear drops could be a way of gearing up alts and catching up since there would be no lockouts. Having 5 materia slots would make the gear useful in later challenge dungeon runs (assuming the ilvl sync allows you to benefit from melds) and make the gear more desirable than regular dungeon gear. The appearance and base item level of the gear could be identical to the most recent dungeon gear to save development time (ilvl 375 at this moment). That said, if challenge dungeons were tuned to be very difficult then the gear could probably be 5 or 10 item levels higher.

[DrWho2010]

Making new dungeons, as Yoshida implies there, has nothing to do with simply slapping on Min ilvl and a general mob-buff onto any existing dungeon.

that would neither be fun nor interesting. it would not make for a worthwhile experience.

But, by all means, let's ignore all pitifully easy ways to make already existent content fresh and entertaining and instead focus on making new content that less than 5% of players will see, locked behind a 30+ hour grind.

I'd rather they try new and INTERESTING things over bloating old things. Besides as others have mentioned what WORTHWHILE rewards would you make available anyways? all suggestions come down to is useless glamor, useless gear with a few more meld slots. whoop-te-do.

[Kaedan]

I don't agree with your proposed rewards, but I would play a difficult 4 man dungeon. Basically "extreme" dungeons would be interesting.

[linay]

This is the hardest thing to plan. It's not good if this new content invalidates existing content, but it also has to be worth doing for some people. I would welcome more suggestions regarding the incentives for doing these dungeons.

This what I had in mind in the opening post. Collectors would like the cosmetic armor from the achievement and also the guaranteed minion, mount and music drops, although they'd still have to win the roll to get those items. I would personally prefer to farm any unique glamour sets with steady progress through achievements instead of drops within the dungeons. The rare dyes could make some money or just be useful for glamour enthusiasts.

The gear drops could be a way of gearing up alts and catching up since there would be no lockouts. Having 5 materia slots would make the gear useful in later challenge dungeon runs (assuming the ilvl sync allows you to benefit from melds) and make the gear more desirable than regular dungeon gear. The appearance and base item level of the gear could be identical to the most recent dungeon gear to save development time (ilvl 375 at this moment). That said, if challenge dungeons were tuned to be very difficult then the gear could probably be 5 or 10 item levels higher.

Indeed. Honestly, I wouldn't want this to replace raid, so I'm thinking any reward but combat gear would be better. Maybe add extra titles, mounts, minions, or crafting material, or glamour. That should be enough to gain attention from people without having to invalidate other content with real combat gear.