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    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Loud Jungle
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    No, more like a bear, wolf, big cat (they're not unique to jungles), or bird of prey, amongst other things.

    You're also over-simplifying the challenges cold weather poses, namely in ensuring an adequate supply of combustible material for fires, clothing and similar items to keep warm and ensuring a ready food supply, since cold weather kills off most plants that bear food and also creates a dearth of animal food sources. The latter poses more of an issue for agrarian societies but it's no small challenge, especially in the days before modern commercial agriculture developed ways of circumventing these issues.

    Again, the modern forests we're familiar with are fairly controlled environments and are not reflective of how dangerous an environment a forest can be if you have to survive in it as a home.

    Also, if we're talking about climates more apt to give rise to bulky physiques, empirically it is colder climates that tend to favour these, for the reason that the surfeit bulk is a buffer against the leaner months of winter. Jungle climates simply don't - bulk isn't required to deal with venom or diseases.

    It's further confounded when you throw in the fact that fantasy jungles and forests aren't the same environments as their real life analogues. That's why I consider Amazonian tribes that people like bringing up to be pretty weak as an argument as to how Viera should look, because they don't have the same protein availability nor do male Viera function like members of Amazonian tribes, being lone wolves.
    1. We're talking about elves. They're never represented as bulky.
    2. Most forests in the past nor the present had cats. Unless you go back to the ice age and I don't think any elf lived in the ice age. General elves are portrayed to have "lived" in temperate forests like The Black Shroud.
    3. Bears don't eat the "plants" and "trees" humans needed in the past during winter. Bears in general you just need a lookout and traps. You can't really fight off a bear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Have...you seen what sort of monstrosities exist in this setting, even in 'normal' environments?
    No, care to share? Bears and wolves are "pack" animals, they don't really take an entire territory for themselves like a swarm of jungle animals would. The entirety of a jungle could be occupied a family of snakes, reptiles, crocodiles, tigers, and even Elephants from top to bottom. Forests are just full of squirrels, bears, wolves, and other furry "pack" animals. Wolves and Bears you just have to make traps for and keep archer look outs.

    What do Elezen in the black shroud do? Make traps and keep lookout. You can't keep look out and make traps in a jungle, you're literally living side by side poisonous frogs, poisonous plants, spiders and panthers.

    The difference is huge, trust me on this.
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    No, care to share? Bears and wolves are "pack" animals, they don't really take an entire territory for themselves like a swarm of jungle animals would. The entirety of a forest could be occupied a family of snakes, reptiles, crocodiles, tigers, and even Elephants from top to bottom. Forests are just full of squirrels, bears, wolves, and other furry "pack" animals. Wolves and Bears you just have to make traps for and keep archer look outs.

    What do Elezen in the black shroud do? Make traps and keep lookout. You can't keep look out and make traps in a jungle, you're literally living side by side poisonous frogs, poisonous plants, spiders and panthers.

    The difference is huge, trust me on this.
    Are you taking real life for an example or the fantasy setting of the game for example? Gridania for example, there are giant insects, large venomous animals, giant man-eating plants (morbol), poisonous plants, killer tree monsters (treant), giant toads, hostile (Sentient) beast tribes, bandits, demons, possessed giant walking armor, undead, primals, hostile elements, and more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    Therefore, since elf and jungle are contradictions I expect male Viera to look nothing like an elf and more like jungle person, like female Viera.
    https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Bosmer https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Valenwood
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 06-16-2019 at 05:28 AM.
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