Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I am rather eager to dispel the notion that the rationale they gave cannot be questioned, so here ya go. Keep going down and follow the chain.

So...you link me to a post made by someone who claims to work in the Industry (Im not calling them a liar, but unless I missed it they didn't post any qualifications or History...so it feels like we are just taking his word for it) And basically he said stuff that people agree with.
I can't take anything he posted in Stock unless he works for SE or is on the FFXIV workforce. Because it more sounds like "What he THinks" is going on, and not so much actual "facts"
And we already have plenty of people who have said the same things he said. In smaller posts

[Lauront]

So...you link me to a post made by someone who claims to work in the Industry (Im not calling them a liar, but unless I missed it they didn't post any qualifications or History...so it feels like we are just taking his word for it) And basically he said stuff that people agree with.
I can't take anything he posted in Stock unless he works for SE or is on the FFXIV workforce. Because it more sounds like "What he THinks" is going on, and not so much actual "facts"
And we already have plenty of people who have said the same things he said. In smaller posts

He actually did comment on his qualifications and employment history, here.

As to whether someone needs to work specifically for SE to express doubt on what Yoshi is saying, as opposed to having experience with other firms... I believe the former is setting the bar so high as to be nearly impossible to surmount, given how small a sample of the population that is, nevermind how much smaller the subset willing to comment on the matter.

See here's the problem we get into going back and editing the old races. If you're doing more than tweaking proportions (i.e. making Elezen necks look less awkward) you're going to have a bad time because a lot of people picked their race because the aesthetics were close enough to what they wanted. While a lot of clans are just palette swaps that doesn't change the fact that in your suggestion anyone who is currently playing a male Xaela and doesn't want to be broader and beefier would be given the choice between keeping their scale color and possibly skin tone or keeping their body build. If SE were to go back and do updates like that the best way would be to add a third clan, giving the option without the impact. That, however, is a lot of work and possibly more than they'd undertake.

I was stating what I had wish they had done from the outset. You will note I said a man can dream in regards to going back to rework Au Ra to that extent, i.e. it's beyond the point of no return.

Adding a third clan could work but yes, they would parcel it off in the "too much work" area. The most we can hope for is a muscle tone slider, given their past comments on the subject.

[Keridwyn]

Fair enough, although if they went with a midlander/highlander type split with Raen males staying as they are and Xaela adopting such a model, I think it'd work just fine. That, or giving Au Ra such a build whilst re-working Elezen so as not to be a write-off to most players interested in a build like theirs.

See here's the problem we get into going back and editing the old races. If you're doing more than tweaking proportions (i.e. making Elezen necks look less awkward) you're going to have a bad time because a lot of people picked their race because the aesthetics were close enough to what they wanted. While a lot of clans are just palette swaps that doesn't change the fact that in your suggestion anyone who is currently playing a male Xaela and doesn't want to be broader and beefier would be given the choice between keeping their scale color and possibly skin tone or keeping their body build. If SE were to go back and do updates like that the best way would be to add a third clan, giving the option without the impact. That, however, is a lot of work and possibly more than they'd undertake.

[Mochamonarch]

See here's the problem we get into going back and editing the old races. If you're doing more than tweaking proportions (i.e. making Elezen necks look less awkward) you're going to have a bad time because a lot of people picked their race because the aesthetics were close enough to what they wanted. While a lot of clans are just palette swaps that doesn't change the fact that in your suggestion anyone who is currently playing a male Xaela and doesn't want to be broader and beefier would be given the choice between keeping their scale color and possibly skin tone or keeping their body build. If SE were to go back and do updates like that the best way would be to add a third clan, giving the option without the impact. That, however, is a lot of work and possibly more than they'd undertake.

There was an incident exactly like this on Neopets (any neopets vets in this thread is going to know exactly what I'm talking about) where they updated the art of the pets to make room for the new cash shop items. this meant there was a non-consensual conversion of 90% of the playerbase's pets that happened once the update dropped. This lead to a surge of angry players that never quite let it go, and since there was a small percentage of pets that didn't get the art updated, those pets became a status symbol as the last remnants of the past they had.

Where I'm getting at is, SE is most likely never going to overhaul any character races drastically without giving the choice to keep the old ones, it would upset far too many people and lead to a huge can of worms that they would never recover from. No mater how much I dislike Elezen pencil necks, or beefy body types, there are people out there who love them; and to rip that away from them would be downright cruel.

WoW, for all its flaws, is adding an increasing amount of options for player characters over time. I don't doubt that FFXIV will need to follow suit at some point for fear of being left behind - especially with the older models looking rather dated next to some of the unique NPC models and newer environments.

I think i remember Squeenix saying...somewhere, that they wanted to do just that. Make the models look more HD or something, I can't remember. I don't know if it was a passing wistful comment or not. but I do agree, the older models' ages are beginning to show. GW2 did an amazing job on their character customization as well, though their methods of achieving that level customization leaves a lot to be desired.

As a longtime femroe player I can state that femroes also have a muscle slider so it's not just Hyurs! I believe it's actually given to any race that doesn't possess adjustable ears or a tail, taking up the slot that slider uses instead.

Ah, I stand corrected. Though the point still stands that they most likely will leave muscle sliders to non kemonomimi races.

[Lauront]

They appeal to a niche amongst both audiences, though. When you look at Roe figures that becomes clearer. Even if they’re throwing a bone at their western audiences due to the higher uptake in their ranks, it’s not a very large part of them.

[grinkdaboy]

They appeal to a niche amongst both audiences, though. When you look at Roe figures that becomes clearer. Even if they’re throwing a bone at their western audiences due to the higher uptake in their ranks, it’s not a very large part of them.

big hulking beastmen are considered far more cool in the west than in japan. why do you think so many people play horde in wow?

[SturmChurro]

big hulking beastmen are considered far more cool in the west than in japan. why do you think so many people play horde in wow?

Blood elves I think.

[zeylos]

Blood elves I think.

Right, but in WoW there's still a lot of beast race players. I think that is clear that the anime/japanese audience wants sexy bunny husbandos and waifus, while the western wants cool unique interesting races

[Dualblade]

big hulking beastmen are considered far more cool in the west than in japan. why do you think so many people play horde in wow?

Blood Elves

Blood elves I think.

Quoting cause they beat me to it.

[Duskane]

big hulking beastmen are considered far more cool in the west than in japan. why do you think so many people play horde in wow?

i dont play wow but i know Blood elves basically saved Horde