WHM 5.0 Discussion

[Allegor]

When I first heard of the new lily spells I was happy but confused why we basically got a second Tetra....only to later find out they're both on the gcd...yay...
Anyways, this makes me wonder just how truly healing intensive will it be in 5.0, considering both Afflatus spells are healing spells, yet our "reward" for spending 3 lilies is a big DPS aoe...? so basically, unless we're almost guaranteed to use them as soon as a lily blooms, we'd literally be throwing overhealing just to nourish the blood lily.

Also yes, Temperance is literally just Largesse + Protect, but at least it's prettier now /shrug

WoW does that pretty much every expansion - take away a spell, change the name/animation, and present it as this new innovating talent/ability.

[althenawhm]

I would be less upset with Temperance being Largesse with a little extra if we still had largesse and it just got traited into Temperance at level 80.
As it stands now they just take away WHM skills to feed them back to us at level 80.

[Deceptus]

I would be less upset with Temperance being Largesse with a little extra if we still had largesse and it just got traited into Temperance at level 80.
As it stands now they just take away WHM skills to feed them back to us at level 80.

They took away WHM Divine Seal, and gave it to everyone in Largesse. They took away Largesse from everyone and gave it to WHM as Temperance.

It really does baffle the mind.

[Lola_bunny]

To be constructive a small idea of something that could give a little bit of raid utility without adding a new skill or radically changing another one maybe Asylum could give a buff outside of a HoT to people inside it or perhaps Asylum holy light heals allies within but damages enemies it's not much but it's something. I'm not sold on the Lillies mechanic either it at least looks better in shb then it is now but it still feels like a whatever resource. I'm curious to know if people think it'll be better just to burn lillies just to get Misery or conserve to use as needed, in either case Misery is neat but doesn't strike me as super useful

[Ceasaria]

The afflatus spells clearly need to be oGCD.

As it is presented yes, but it could remain GCD if this could be an enhanced version of existing spell (+ bringing an additionnal effect to justify it).

[DiznypKC]

Commenting because I want to keep this thread active. :-)

I don’t get why healers need to have three DPS buttons when literally every other class has a thought out rotation. We have to clear MSQ solo content as well, why can’t we have a decent rotation? Doesn’t have to be as complicated as a true DPS, but we deserve to have something other than 121111111111111211111111111. Come on, devs.

And yikes to even more healing abilities. I doubt encounter design is going to be changed drastically to accommodate the massive yet needless amount of pure healing WHM does.

It’s looking more and more like WoW Holy Priest every expac, now with wings! /s

[ty_taurus]

Someone brought up a really great idea in relation to White Mage utility in a thread I posted a while back.

Why not make Afflatus Misery also place a damage received up Debuff, say 5% increased damage received for 15 seconds on the initial target? With AM being on effectively a 90 second cooldown, White Mage will still have the least utility and the most selfish DPS, but that could help bridge the utility gap between the healers, no?

[Ceasaria]

Someone brought up a really great idea in relation to White Mage utility in a thread I posted a while back.

Why not make Afflatus Misery also place a damage received up Debuff, say 5% increased damage received for 15 seconds on the initial target? With AM being on effectively a 90 second cooldown, White Mage will still have the least utility and the most selfish DPS, but that could help bridge the utility gap between the healers, no?

Exactly what I was thinking since the past few days.

[fantasticm]

Why not make Afflatus Misery also place a damage received up Debuff, say 5% increased damage received for 15 seconds on the initial target? With AM being on effectively a 90 second cooldown, White Mage will still have the least utility and the most selfish DPS, but that could help bridge the utility gap between the healers, no?

Giving Trick Attack Lite to WHM would more than likely make them the must-pick healer, and AST and SCH would have to fight over second place. After ~3 years of being The Joke Healer, I would be okay with this. Sadly, WHM offering something the other two healers can't goes against SE's vision for the job.

[Nihility]

returning energy drain even if it was just damage and giving WHM something along the lines of afflatus banish would be a pretty solid move
even if they stayed 150 potency, the point is having something to burn gauge on when you don't need the healing so it's not wasted

if they were insistent on the lily spells all being on gcd it would have to be like 400 potency though to be worth more than glare