The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[Hash_Browns]

Everyone's important, but you're kidding yourself if you seriously think a dps can out tank a tank even in normal dungeons. Tanks are there for a reason. The holy trinity is there for a reason. Your mentality is why we have so few tanks in the first place.

A DPS can indeed tank in normal content, it just requires a bit more healing. A DPS may not be able to out-tank a tank, but they can indeed be a replacement.

[Awha]

Everyone's important, but you're kidding yourself if you seriously think a dps can out tank a tank even in normal dungeons. Tanks are there for a reason. The holy trinity is there for a reason. Your mentality is why we have so few tanks in the first place.

Do not get me wrong it would require extra healing but a dps or a healer can tank single pulls in this game, and I have seen healers tank bosses it is possible. Sure it would be easier with a tank, but they are by no means required to clear most dungeon content if we are talking single pulls.

[kazzel120]

A DPS can indeed tank in normal content, it just requires a bit more healing. A DPS may not be able to out-tank a tank, but they can indeed be a replacement.

Ok go test your dps can indeed tank normal dungeons as well as a tank with a full pull and watch said dps die before the healer can get 1 heal off.

[Awha]

Ok go test your dps can indeed tank normal dungeons as well as a tank with a full pull and watch said dps die before the healer can get 1 heal off.

Define full pull? Cause I never said a dps can tank large packs of mobs, but a single pull yeah I can do it on a dps and I have healed dps doing it before after we went on ahead because the tank went afk. As a healer sure I had I heal more but it was not horrible.

[kazzel120]

Do not get me wrong it would require extra healing but a dps or a healer can tank single pulls in this game, and I have seen healers tank bosses it is possible. Sure it would be easier with a tank, but they are by no means required to clear most dungeon content if we are talking single pulls.

This entire thread started because a lot of tanks dont do full pulls. And people saying how unimportant tanks are in normal content.

Yet you see more dps bitch about bad queue times because no one tanks hmm i wonder why. Again if a tank isn't comfortable doing full pulls don't think its ok to pull extra mobs that's all.

Personally I do full pulls unless the healer and/or dps suck its its slower thats all.

[SoulEchelon]

Do not get me wrong it would require extra healing but a dps or a healer can tank single pulls in this game, and I have seen healers tank bosses it is possible. Sure it would be easier with a tank, but they are by no means required to clear most dungeon content if we are talking single pulls.

A DPS can indeed tank in normal content, it just requires a bit more healing. A DPS may not be able to out-tank a tank, but they can indeed be a replacement.

Alright, go ahead and hop into Shinryu Normal with just DPS tanking. See how long it takes for them to collapse even with two healers using up every ounce of MP they have healing them while also trying to heal the rest of the group. Post a video of it. I'll bring the popcorn.

[Nedkel]

He said its hit 1 button in his earlier posts and its not hit 1 buttons jesus. I have been a tank main since 3.0.

Its also not hard to be an even half ass dps yet you see more bad dps then tanks and healers and honestly dps are easy to play too.

DPS are easiest class to play, yet people like him saying that tanks are super easy.
Well, they are super easy if someone is a super bad tank and does not play them effectively. xD

Playing a tank is to pull, set peace, controlling mobs movement and position, mitigate incoming damage by rotating many different cooldowns (making things easier to heal allows healers to do massive aoe damage which is close to dps levels), do high DPS (which on DRK is not easy because of mana), dodge AOEs or interupt mobs casting spells. Not only that but countering tank busters on the boss fights and position boss in the way that will be most efficient for team, and there are many many boses in this game which if positioned righly will make things much easier and safe. This is much more than afk follow tank and do rotation properly on DPS, hence why i switched to tank and never came back to DPS since it is more interesting and engaging to play.

A good tank has many times bigger impact on the run than any DPS does.

Define full pull? Cause I never said a dps can tank large packs of mobs, but a single pull yeah I can do it on a dps and I have healed dps doing it before after we went on ahead because the tank went afk. As a healer sure I had I heal more but it was not horrible.

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[Awha]

Alright, go ahead and hop into Shinryu Normal with just DPS tanking. See how long it takes for them to collapse even with two healers using up every ounce of MP they have healing them while also trying to heal the rest of the group. Post a video of it. I'll bring the popcorn.

Isn't this thread about dungeons? Last I checked that was a primaral. Are you telling me if a tank goes afk or leaves a dungeon your group simply waits around for a new tank? Normally what I do is just pull one group at a time while the group waits for a replacement. I do not think I ever said or implied that a dps can tank primals or raids.

[kazzel120]

Isn't this thread about dungeons? Last I checked that was a primaral. Are you telling me if a tank goes afk or leaves a dungeon your group simply waits around for a new tank? Normally what I do is just pull one group at a time while the group waits for a replacement. I do not think I ever said or implied that a dps can tank primals or raids.

Normal content is what they said so that would include all normal modes.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Alright, go ahead and hop into Shinryu Normal with just DPS tanking. See how long it takes for them to collapse even with two healers using up every ounce of MP they have healing them while also trying to heal the rest of the group. Post a video of it. I'll bring the popcorn.

I did tank half of the first phase as a DPS once after both tanks died to Tidal Wave and neither wanted to provoke back until they lost the Near Death debuff. But this is also almost a hundred item levels past the intended point, so.....

Now, try it with Tsukuyomi, you'll get slaughtered.