The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[SoulEchelon]

I am sorry but for normal mode content tanks do not inherently have more responsibility over dps or healers. One could even argue that if a tank is doing single pulls it would be quicker to replace the tank with a dps.

Tanks are not special, face it reality is if you are doing dungeon content and not doing large pulls as a tank you are simply a gimp dps at that point.

Everyone's important, but you're kidding yourself if you seriously think a dps can out tank a tank even in normal dungeons. Tanks are there for a reason. The holy trinity is there for a reason. Your mentality is why we have so few tanks in the first place.

[Hash_Browns]

Everyone's important, but you're kidding yourself if you seriously think a dps can out tank a tank even in normal dungeons. Tanks are there for a reason. The holy trinity is there for a reason. Your mentality is why we have so few tanks in the first place.

A DPS can indeed tank in normal content, it just requires a bit more healing. A DPS may not be able to out-tank a tank, but they can indeed be a replacement.

[Awha]

Everyone's important, but you're kidding yourself if you seriously think a dps can out tank a tank even in normal dungeons. Tanks are there for a reason. The holy trinity is there for a reason. Your mentality is why we have so few tanks in the first place.

Do not get me wrong it would require extra healing but a dps or a healer can tank single pulls in this game, and I have seen healers tank bosses it is possible. Sure it would be easier with a tank, but they are by no means required to clear most dungeon content if we are talking single pulls.

[SoulEchelon]

Do not get me wrong it would require extra healing but a dps or a healer can tank single pulls in this game, and I have seen healers tank bosses it is possible. Sure it would be easier with a tank, but they are by no means required to clear most dungeon content if we are talking single pulls.

A DPS can indeed tank in normal content, it just requires a bit more healing. A DPS may not be able to out-tank a tank, but they can indeed be a replacement.

Alright, go ahead and hop into Shinryu Normal with just DPS tanking. See how long it takes for them to collapse even with two healers using up every ounce of MP they have healing them while also trying to heal the rest of the group. Post a video of it. I'll bring the popcorn.

[Awha]

Alright, go ahead and hop into Shinryu Normal with just DPS tanking. See how long it takes for them to collapse even with two healers using up every ounce of MP they have healing them while also trying to heal the rest of the group. Post a video of it. I'll bring the popcorn.

Isn't this thread about dungeons? Last I checked that was a primaral. Are you telling me if a tank goes afk or leaves a dungeon your group simply waits around for a new tank? Normally what I do is just pull one group at a time while the group waits for a replacement. I do not think I ever said or implied that a dps can tank primals or raids.

[SoulEchelon]

Isn't this thread about dungeons? Last I checked that was a primaral. Are you telling me if a tank goes afk or leaves a dungeon your group simply waits around for a new tank? Normally what I do is just pull one group at a time while the group waits for a replacement.

You stated ANY normal content. Shinryu Normal is normal content. In fact, it's story content. But sure I'll let you backpedal. The Stone Vigil? Aurum Vale? Keeper of the Lake? The Vault? Baelsar's Wall? Shisui of the Violet Tides? Ala Mhigo? Ooh, The Burn would be a GREAT one for dps tanking.

Go. Do them. Post a video. Make sure to go all the way through, including all the bosses. Don't wuss out and use Titan Egi. That's a tank, and according to you - you don't need them. Now if by some insane chance you actually are able to do it, tell us how long it took and how many extremely carefully planned battles you had to do, as well as every single time a tank buster bashed your face in and wiped your party.

No, you're not going to do that because you're wrong. A tank is needed just like every other part of the holy trinity. A dps can tank a few mods with a good healer. They cannot tank a whole entire dungeon - bosses and all.

[Awha]

You stated ANY normal content. Shinryu Normal is normal content. In fact, it's story content. But sure I'll let you backpedal. The Stone Vigil? Aurum Vale? Keeper of the Lake? The Vault? Baelsar's Wall? Shisui of the Violet Tides? Ala Mhigo? Ooh, The Burn would be a GREAT one for dps tanking.

Go. Do them. Post a video. Make sure to go all the way through, including all the bosses. Don't wuss out and use Titan Egi. That's a tank, and according to you - you don't need them. Now if by some insane chance you actually are able to do it, tell us how long it took and how many extremely carefully planned battles you had to do, as well as every single time a tank buster bashed your face in and wiped your party.

No, you're not going to do that because you're wrong. A tank is needed just like every other part of the holy trinity. A dps can tank a few mods with a good healer. They cannot tank a whole entire dungeon - bosses and all.

I do not know how to capture video content, but a dps or healer can tank a dungeon I am sure many healers have found themselves in situations were the tank is simply afk deadweight and they had aggro for the entire run. Sure it requires extra healing but it is not impossible.

Also sorry given the thread was about dungeons I figured it was implied that is the content we would be referring to. I do not think I ever said it would be quicker just that a tank doing single pulls is a gimped dps, and one could argue that it would be quicker to just bring a 3rd dps.

I tank and as in have said before doing single pulls makes me feels useless I mean during single pulls you do not even need to use cooldowns all that much. One can sit in tank stance for days.

[Hash_Browns]

I do not know how to capture video content, but a dps or healer can tank a dungeon I am sure many healers have found themselves in situations were the tank is simply afk deadweight and they had aggro for the entire run. Sure it requires extra healing but it is not impossible.

Found myself in more then one situation where the tank left/disconnected during the dungeon, and a DPS became a tank until the tank either returned or we got a new one.

Tanking as a DPS isn't hard in leveling dungeons at all.

If a tank can't pull more then a few packs of mobs, then they might as well be a DPS.

[SoulEchelon]

I do not know how to capture video content, but a dps or healer can tank a dungeon I am sure many healers have found themselves in situations were the tank is simply afk deadweight and they had aggro for the entire run. Sure it requires extra healing but it is not impossible.

Heh. Yep, I thought so. You're a broken record and you can't even back yourself up. What a waste of time talking to you.


I'll reiterate for everyone else and get back on topic: Every single role is important. ALL of them. DPS, Healer, and Tank. We all depend on each other, and if one isn't pulling their weight, we all suffer. DPS? The run goes slower and taxes the healer and tank. Healer? The run goes slower and taxes the tank and dps. Tank? The run goes slower and taxes the healer and dps. The name of the game is cooperation. Tank is supposed to aggro. Let them aggro. DPS is supposed to do damage. Let them damage. Healer is supposed to heal. Let them heal. When everyone works together we all benefit. Running in front of the tank and grabbing aggro is not working together. If you're impatient or feel you can go faster, ask first. If the tank refuses, leave or deal with it. It's the same as the tank asking dps to do more aoes. If they refuse, either he/she should leave or deal with it. Breaking the mold without warning just leads to frustration and potential loss of time.

Funny thing is - this is all coming from a DPS main. Don't be dick. Follow the tank's lead and let them get punched while you do the punching. That's what they're there for.

[Nedkel]

I do not know how to capture video content, but a dps or healer can tank a dungeon I am sure many healers have found themselves in situations were the tank is simply afk deadweight and they had aggro for the entire run. Sure it requires extra healing but it is not impossible.

Also sorry given the thread was about dungeons I figured it was implied that is the content we would be referring to. I do not think I ever said it would be quicker just that a tank doing single pulls is a gimped dps, and one could argue that it would be quicker to just bring a 3rd dps.

Your team would have to do three times as more damage than tank+healer+2dps team, why?
Because the second team could pull three trash groups at time, while 3 dps 1 healer will struggle to go through the first group, healer will have to burn all the mana each pull and it will just not work unless you out lvl the duty horribly by 100 ilvl or so.