The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[SaitoHikari]

Highly disagree with that; pretty much the only time I've had resources pressed in 4-man dungeons (as any of the roles; CDs on tank, MP on healer, TP on DPS) is when megapulling.

Maybe it puts more strain on your *time*, but not your resources.

Depends on the class. High-tier Bards want megapulls due to the nature of our song rotations, since we'll want to be in Army's Paeon at the start of the megapull to give the tank physical troubadour (along with throwing DoTs faster), and then swap over to Mage's Ballad to cram in as many free Rain of Death resets as possible. Our AoE outside of the 30 second Mage's Ballad window currently sinks like a rock, and pulling small packs at a time means we'll likely have to dip into Wanderer's Minuet... Which also means Wanderer's Minuet might not be available at the start of the following boss fight.

So yes, it is a resource drain for Bards, just in a different way.

[van_arn]

I don't mind it when healers pull, because they're the ones who have to compensate if my HP drops. I don't like it when DPS pulls, because they're not shouldering any responsibility.

So overall, I don't mind if someone pulls. HOWEVER!, I very often 'assume' that as the tank. I get to decide these things, and there are times when I'll alt-tab to change my song, or check a text message. Knowing that I'm the tank, and knowing that no one should pull while I alt tab. I've come back to dead people before, lol. And if they get salty. I ask them not to pull. Because I tend to randomly go afk without warning when I tank (no longer than a min). Like I said, changing my playlist is very common for me.

Constant afks are a great reason for a party to kick someone, especially if it causes a wipe.

[van_arn]

As a tank, I love it when healers or dps pull. In my experience the one's that do are usually good at dealing damage. I actually get excited and think "Yes!, this is going to be a good dungeon." I don't throw my hands up in the air and cry like a baby. I just hit one button and now they're all on me. Then we precede to annihilate the dungeon. NOT because we are in some great hurry like the nonsense some spew, but because it's fun and large packs are the only way to make full use of your tool kit in these dungeons.

This guy gets it.

[Kaitoo]

I am bamboozled by the number of people that go "hur dur if you pull it you tank it!" "That player is not gonna get healed *dab*" instead of initiating dialogue asking why / if they could stop.
Must be some weird combination of social failure and power trip

[DJMau]

I say if a healer or dps wants to pull go ahead, I'll gladly watch your tanking capabilities. Might learn something from it, even if it's common knowledge that your squishy self can't live past 10 seconds.

[van_arn]

I say if a healer or dps wants to pull go ahead, I'll gladly watch your tanking capabilities. Might learn something from it, even if it's common knowledge that your squishy self can't live past 10 seconds.

Incorrect. Tanks are the third wheel. Common knowledge is wrong in normal modes due to comparatively low incoming damage.

If a healer is confident enough to pull, they can likely healtank and take your job.

They either cause a wipe at this point and get kicked, or the tank that didn't push their one button should get kicked.

Ideally the tank takes the hint and picks up the pace or gets replaced by the party.

Dps that end up holding threat for a tank that just watched tend to be an easy yes vote when deciding to kick a tank.

[SaitoHikari]

I am bamboozled by the number of people that go "hur dur if you pull it you tank it!" "That player is not gonna get healed *dab*" instead of initiating dialogue asking why / if they could stop.
Must be some weird combination of social failure and power trip

Pretty much. I actually frequently rip aggro from tanks mid-pull as a Bard, but I don't go blaming the tank for losing aggro (if anything it's more about not having Diversion, and needing to save Refresh/Tactician for resource regen instead of using them as aggro dumps). I can take a few hits, it doesn't matter.

(I've actually had situations where the rest of the party somehow died, and there are still like 5 mobs still alive at low health trying to finish me off. The one advantage Bard has that no one else does is that I can just hit Sprint and kite like a headless chicken and still finish off the mob pack sometimes, or at least buy enough time for the rest of the party to return after reviving without the mob pack resetting on us.)

[Krotoan]

I am bamboozled by the number of people that go "hur dur if you pull it you tank it!" "That player is not gonna get healed *dab*" instead of initiating dialogue asking why / if they could stop.
Must be some weird combination of social failure and power trip

To be fair most of the time I've actually asked someone not to pull extra while I'm tanking I get "LOL LRN 2TANK, UR 2 SLOW!" or something equivalently well thought out as a response. I'm not a bad tank, but first runs in gear that barely broke ilevel I will do single pulls until I know the whole dungeon so i've had a few run ins with people who didn't like how I was doing it.

[Kaethra]

When I played EQ, tanks did NOT pull. They were usually busy still tanking the last group that was pulled and even if they didn't, they lacked the range to pull properly (their bows did not have the range of spells or the bows Rangers used). In that game, you used a Bard, Enchanter, Monk, or Ranger to pull. They'd grab a group, group gets CC'd and the tank picks one to tank. When the pull gets trimmed down the puller grabs another set.

[ElroyDrundan]

Incorrect. Tanks are the third wheel. Common knowledge is wrong in normal modes.

If a healer is confident enough to pull, they can likely healtank and take your job.

They either cause a wipe at this point and get kicked, or the tank that didn't push their one button should get kicked.

Ideally the tank takes the hint and picks up the pace or gets replaced by the party.

Again I want to know what kind of tanks you are tanking with. A great/geared warrior tank on AoE pulls will dps on par with the better dpsers. They round them all up for the big pulls. I found for the most part well played dps classes are the rarity and I get so excited when I see one join that is going to be at or ahead of my heal dps...