The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[kidalutz]

Reading a few reddit posts, and also having some discussions with FC mates who pull for 'slow tanks', is there really an 'unwritten rule' that only tanks pull? My main in SB was PLD (before using WHM to help friends), and I always have pulled wall to wall or at least until I got gated out. However, with Gunbreaker coming soon, I think that there will be a lot of new or newer tanks who may not be as comfortable with huge pulls.

I honestly never advocate anyone but the tank pulling, as they know what their own comfort level is and if they can/want to handle larger pulls. However, some also argue that if the tank is going too slow, they have the right to pull faster if everyone but the tank wants to go fast. I'm not talking about tanks who can go faster but flat out refuse even when the rest of the party wants to, but moreso the new tanks or those not yet comfortable. Is it ever okay for dps or healers to 'pull for the slow tank'?

Short Answer will always be no.Long Answer: One: nobody ever knows if the tank is new or nervous unless they speak up. Thus pulling for the tank automatically is going to put them more on edge if they're new or inexperienced which in turn is partly why there is a lack of tanks and the queue times are so high for DPS.Healers pulling really doesn't help because then the tank has to work even harder for aggro all while the healer either has to stop all actions including healing for a precious few seconds but if the pull is too big and the tanks used thier CDs already causes a wipe with most of the inexperienced and new tanks again a contributing factor as to why there's never enough tanks

[JackHatchet]

I don't mind it when healers pull, because they're the ones who have to compensate if my HP drops. I don't like it when DPS pulls, because they're not shouldering any responsibility.

So overall, I don't mind if someone pulls. HOWEVER!, I very often 'assume' that as the tank. I get to decide these things, and there are times when I'll alt-tab to change my song, or check a text message. Knowing that I'm the tank, and knowing that no one should pull while I alt tab. I've come back to dead people before, lol. And if they get salty. I ask them not to pull. Because I tend to randomly go afk without warning when I tank (no longer than a min). Like I said, changing my playlist is very common for me.

[FFgame]

Nope don't care. Pull big or go play with NPCs in 3 weeks.

[Videra]

If the tank isn't pulling as much as they can, go for it. If they don't ask you to stop, continue. Granted, this responsibility should solely be on the healer. Quite literally all tanks who don't want to pull YUGE have to say is 'I would rather not', but I find most don't, and will outright ignore your requests to go to the proper pace.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I heal dungeons before I tank them so I can see how the damage output on the tank goes then I work off of then during my tanking. There are a few pulls I'll pull small on because the mob(s) involved do annoying things like target random party members with melee aoes and/or are stupidly big and push all the other mobs around everywhere, but generally I only small pull for the reason previously mentioned, healer asked me not to, or I don't think the healer is capable of handling the wall to wall pull.

I will say as someone who heals more than anything, I am a little bit nervous with the enemy dps shooting up a bit because there's always tanks that will wall to wall pulls and then die because their gear is busted, they're severely undergeared, not getting any aggro, and/or going full Leroy Jenkins just because they can.

[Rocond]

As a tank, I love it when healers or dps pull. In my experience the one's that do are usually good at dealing damage. I actually get excited and think "Yes!, this is going to be a good dungeon." I don't throw my hands up in the air and cry like a baby. I just hit one button and now they're all on me. Then we precede to annihilate the dungeon. NOT because we are in some great hurry like the nonsense some spew, but because it's fun and large packs are the only way to make full use of your tool kit in these dungeons.

[Greven]

It isn't an untold rule, it's logic.

Then again it seems enmity management is going to be way easier from ShB on so while it's still pretty annoying in some cases it will not be a big deal anymore.

[DumdogsWorld]

When it's a higher level dungeon and the tank does slow pulls, I don't mind. It gives me a chance here and there to regen my DRG AOE-ing TP.

When it's a higher level dungeon and the tank does huge pulls, I don't mind. I get to hit a much higher number of enemies with my AOEs. If the number of enemies proves to be too much for the tank or healer, the tank normally resorts to smaller pulls after a wipe or something. No real harm done!

When it's a lower level dungeon and the tank does slow pulls, I appreciate it. However, it isn't necessary if the other DPS or the healer has AOE attacks.

When it's a lower level dungeon and the tank does huge pulls, I absolutely hate it when nobody has the ability to AOE. 'Might as well be yelling 'LEEEEERRROOOOYYYY!!"

[Awha]

As a tank my role is to hold aggro, be it mobs I pull or others, I will do everything in my power to hold aggro.

[SenorPatty]

So overall, I don't mind if someone pulls. HOWEVER!, I very often 'assume' that as the tank. I get to decide these things, and there are times when I'll alt-tab to change my song, or check a text message. Knowing that I'm the tank, and knowing that no one should pull while I alt tab. I've come back to dead people before, lol. And if they get salty. I ask them not to pull. Because I tend to randomly go afk without warning when I tank (no longer than a min). Like I said, changing my playlist is very common for me.

Do you communicate to your party that you'll be frequently alt tabbing per pull at the start of the duty? At least they would be in the know of why their tank stops moving after every killed clusters and more importantly, give them the starting choice of wether they want to put up with that or try their luck again by re-queuing for DF.