BLM seems to have been left in the dust (and raise MUST BE removed on SMN/RDM)

[Kurando]

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And it's 24man, interrupting your rotation to rez someone isn't going to cause enrage but I digress. Although people already scream in party chat demanding other actions as well - "Use Provoke!", "Mana Shift!", 'Refresh!", "Heal LB!" - you get the picture, but that's what happens in the game to any job.

[ShariusTC]

And it's 24man, interrupting your rotation to rez someone isn't going to cause enrage but I digress. Although people already scream in party chat demanding other actions as well - "Use Provoke!", "Mana Shift!", 'Refresh!", "Heal LB!" - you get the picture, but that's what happens in the game to any job.

That why remove it will lower these annoying scream, i dont care about other job just mind on mine, now manashift is gone, hope raise follow sooner

[Katie_Kitty]

yup, i also prefer they remove raise from my SMN too, kind of annoy when you go into 24 man raid, and other constant asking out loud for raise because they are failed mechanic and healer is busy

I'm with you 100%. Short of a significant boost to Red Mage's DPS, nothing would please me more than Summoner getting rid of its raise spell.

[Len]

I'm with you 100%. Short of a significant boost to Red Mage's DPS, nothing would please me more than Summoner getting rid of its raise spell.

Summoners have earned their right to resurrect now that we can summon Phoenix. If anything, we should be given a trait that allows us a free, instant cast rez after summoning Demi-Phoenix.

RDM, jack of all trades and master of none-mage should not be able to resurrect. I think a good compromise for Red Mages would be that their rez can sometimes fail while still consuming your MP.

[Fellgon]

So the point its not about the fun of playing a job, its about "yo BLM have something to give to party?? No?? Sorry you cant join" pure selfish interest.

[SaberMaxwell]

Summoners have earned their right to resurrect now that we can summon Phoenix. If anything, we should be given a trait that allows us a free, instant cast rez after summoning Demi-Phoenix.

RDM, jack of all trades and master of none-mage should not be able to resurrect. I think a good compromise for Red Mages would be that their rez can sometimes fail while still consuming your MP.

That's a good way to get RDMs to never even try raising. 24% of your mp pool on a gamble? No thanks.

It should have been made a 60s ogcd imo, that's a much more controllable quantity than RDM being able to spam raise. Although verraise will cost RDM more than ever in Shadowbringers.

[Maero]

IDK i never came across parties avoiding blm because of no raise. Especially if doing Savage farming or farming EX content, the amount of damage would be more worthwhile then a job like Red that has raise but is not on the same level of dmg of blm (like not even close at all)
With that however yes blm has not changed much at all for 5.0 but neither has Red Mage and a few other jobs.

@ Len, are you serious?
If Red Mage had no raise well they may as well make it a limited job or boost it's dmg which of course we all know some of you would complain about, lol
I hate some of that mentality out of some smn which is give all things to us, who cares about the other magic dps

[Zerathor]

We need to see where damage values will be after the expansion comes out. As long as blm deals substantially higher dps than smn, including their group dps buff contributions, blm will be in a good spot. I fear that won't be the case though. Utility like group damage buffs and raises need to come at a cost to personal damage, but smn didn't get that memo until the end of this expansion.

[Kleeya]

Sometimes i really wonder if people are really prepared to face the consequences of nerfing RDM's chain rez, with great ideas like "let's lengthen the cooldown", or "let's the mana cost be more important" (spoiler : if a single rez is gonna cost me 50% of my mana, i will let you on the ground). Do you see how people are sometimes pissed off in the chat for a single wipe in an old raid ? Are you really sure you dont want me to save a run by casting several rezzes in a row before a dps/heal check, like in my last Orbonne run ? Even though you are asking for it, i am not sure you will be pleased with the results XD

[Zerathor]

Sometimes i really wonder if people are really prepared to face the consequences of nerfing RDM's chain rez, with great ideas like "let's lengthen the cooldown", or "let's the mana cost be more important" (spoiler : if a single rez is gonna cost me 50% of my mana, i will let you on the ground). Do you see how people are sometimes pissed off in the chat for a single wipe in an old raid ? Are you really sure you dont want me to save a run by casting several rezzes in a row before a dps/heal check, like in my last Orbonne run ? Even though you are asking for it, i am not sure you will be pleased with the results XD

Truthfully, it's kind of cheesey to rely upon that so heavily. If RDM's only identity is a rez mage, it'll just be left behind after prog is done. I'd rather see rdm raise nerfed to be a cool down, smn lose raise, and both get a mild damage increase to compensate the loss in their kit.