Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Amnmaat]

What I personally want is something between miqote and au ra, anything bigger than that like highlander I will hate them. I still want them to be tall and slim but also have muscle, just like miqote and au ra. So anything between those two I’m okay with. For aesthetic and customization, I want there to be at least an option to have a fur patch on their chest, they have concept art they created for how big that patch should be. I want long ears so hopefully we can get the same length as females. I want a pretty face, if it’s a bit beast like at least make him attractive/hot. I want some hair options to be majestic and long. I do want heels for at least some outfits. I want their starter gear to look just as revealing. I can’t think of anything right now but we all will definitely slowly start to change our minds on what we want coming ShB. We will be learning more about male viera in depth, so that could include, life style, appearances, whatever else

Seems to me you're describing female Viera when you say things like "I want a pretty face, if it’s a bit beast like at least make him attractive/hot. I want some hair options to be majestic and long. I do want heels for at least some outfits."
Here friend, download the benchmark, it lets you make exactly what you described https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/bench...n=na_benchmark

Female Viera are taller or almost as tall as male Highlander, the males will obviously be taller than them. The LAST thing we need is for male Viera to be pushed back to 6.0 and added with gender demorphism like they did with Au ra.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Seems to me you're describing female Viera when you say things like "I want a pretty face, if it’s a bit beast like at least make him attractive/hot. I want some hair options to be majestic and long. I do want heels for at least some outfits."
Here friend, download the benchmark, it lets you make exactly what you described https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/bench...n=na_benchmark

Female Viera are taller or almost as tall as male Highlander, the males will obviously be taller than them. The LAST thing we need is for male Viera to be pushed back to 6.0 and added with gender demorphism like they did with Au ra.

But that's exactly what most of them want. They want what are essentially the females with no breasts. I just hope if/when we get them, they're handsome and rugged; like killer guardians of the forest should be.

[Theodric]

I just hope if/when we get them, they're handsome and rugged; like killer guardians of the forest should be.

That is my hope, too! There's quite a lot of support for them to be masculine, luckily!

As I've said in the past, they should have at least one base face that is feminine/androgynous for those who like that kind of thing but the entire model should not be such.

[LittleChickenNugget]

That is my hope, too! There's quite a lot of support for them to be masculine, luckily!

As I've said in the past, they should have at least one base face that is feminine/androgynous for those who like that kind of thing but the entire model should not be such.

I mean lets not lie and say it wasn't hugely a part of this thread that made Yoshi actually come out and stomp his foot down on peoples desire to have a child like Viera. There were certainly, for a while, a loud vocal group who wanted to be weird with Viera and they left such a bad taste in the mouths of so many people that many decided they didn't want male Viera at all because of it.

Now because that was snuffed out, there's a group who are begging for what are basically... well, female models. And if they want them to be so feminine, I don't understand why they don't just make a female character. At least that group is starting to get snuffed out too by others who still want the viera to not be a circus show.

[Theodric]

I mean lets not lie and say it wasn't hugely a part of this thread that made Yoshi actually come out and stomp his foot down on peoples desire to have a child like Viera. There were certainly, for a while, a loud vocal group who wanted to be weird with Viera and they left such a bad taste in the mouths of so many people that many decided they didn't want male Viera at all because of it.

Now because that was snuffed out, there's a group who are begging for what are basically... well, female models. And if they want them to be so feminine, I don't understand why they don't just make a female character. At least that group is starting to get snuffed out too by others who still want the viera to not be a circus show.

Yeah, that definitely scared off a lot of people who would have otherwise supported their inclusion. I'm hoping that they'll be designed in such a way as to appeal to a broad range of players.

My biggest desire at the moment is to see an expansion of the customisation for the existing playable races, however. I can wait patiently for male viera but people have been waiting a lot longer for things like the highlander male eyebrow situation to be resolved.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Yeah, that definitely scared off a lot of people who would have otherwise supported their inclusion. I'm hoping that they'll be designed in such a way as to appeal to a broad range of players.

My biggest desire at the moment is to see an expansion of the customisation for the existing playable races, however. I can wait patiently for male viera but people have been waiting a lot longer for things like the highlander male eyebrow situation to be resolved.

Yes, this. I agree so hard with this actually. Older models need updated face and hair textures. We need overall more hairs (and longer ones please, even for males). Let us double up on the makeup options, give us NEW options. Newest one is freckles from... years ago? I would much rather see more updates to what we have right now than worry about male and female versions of missing things.

[Theodric]

Yes, this. I agree so hard with this actually. Older models need updated face and hair textures. We need overall more hairs (and longer ones please, even for males). Let us double up on the makeup options, give us NEW options. Newest one is freckles from... years ago? I would much rather see more updates to what we have right now than worry about male and female versions of missing things.

They added a couple of face paint options during one of the seasonal events but that, too, was years ago. I'm cautiously optimistic since the language used in regards to additional customisation and graphical upgrades has been a lot more positive lately which makes me suspect they have something in the works already.

[LittleChickenNugget]

I'll try and answer to give you an understanding, some GUYS prefer to show they are just that you know GUYS, some guys, including me on this next point, got drawn into believing that maybe/maybe not, were/weren't, needed to show/didn't need to show how comfortable/uncomfortable they were with their gender with saying comments like "I just like looking at a females butt", "I feel uncomfortable looking at a males butt for hours on end". These points here I make are most likely a little outdated and it has evolved to other meanings now maybe you could elaborate some more it'll be interesting to hear how it all has evolved in your mind.

I apologise here for some delete as appropriate choices here, I like people to put in some work concerning posts I make.

Side note, apologies for making you poorly be sure to look out for me as I will do you too and most likely put into action a scenario you most likely/not likely are aware of, Hello Aether!

I... what?

[jake200135]

I... what?

Yeah, his response didn't make much sense, so I'll try to explain it with my thoughts in a hopefully more clear and understandable way. Some people like to select a male character model and then dress it up in a way to make it more feminine, and some like to select a female character model and dress it up tomboyish/masculine. Not everyone wants to make a character that their gender is obvious at first glance. Some people like to find that middle ground.

So if SE adds mViera, they'd be better served adding graceful or elegant customization options that Viera are known for, but also some rugged and handsome options for those wanting their jungle assassin.

Edit: This is also why I'm not personally invested in how muscular or not muscular mViera turn out, because either way, I'll make my mViera look fabulous anyway.

[Sei_Konsetsu]

Yeah, his response didn't make much sense, so I'll try to explain it with my thoughts in a hopefully more clear and understandable way. Some people like to select a male character model and then dress it up in a way to make it more feminine, and some like to select a female character model and dress it up tomboyish/masculine. Not everyone wants to make a character that their gender is obvious at first glance. Some people like to find that middle ground.

So if SE adds mViera, they'd be better served adding graceful or elegant customization options that Viera are known for, but also some rugged and handsome options for those wanting their jungle assassin.

Edit: This is also why I'm not personally invested in how muscular or not muscular mViera turn out, because either way, I'll make my mViera look fabulous anyway.

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Rugged, jungle assassins, with maybe some graceful options? Considering they are jungle assassins