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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.
    I'm going to assume from your edit that you reached your post limit.

    If a hrothgar wants to show off their fur patterns then this immediately writes off a gigantic amount of gear from the game they can glam in to. This would actually include most of the job/role sets and mog station sets. The chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of a glam or gear set. In cases where the chest piece is a robe or long coat, the entire set will look different without it. Very few gear sets in the game look entirely different without the headpiece. Furthermore it is the female versions of gendered gear that tend to show off more skin, and hrothgar being only male...well you can work that out.

    So no, saying that fur patterns and hairstyles are not equally good for showing off personal customisation isn't an opinion stated as a fact. It is a fact. Hairstyles can be displayed without compromising the look of most gear sets in the game. This is not the case for displaying chests and shoulders.

    Never mind how new hairstyles are new models, and fur patterns so far are little other than texture swaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    I'm going to assume from your edit that you reached your post limit.

    If a hrothgar wants to show off their fur patterns then this immediately writes off a gigantic amount of gear from the game they can glam in to. This would actually include most of the job/role sets and mog station sets. The chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of a glam or gear set. In cases where the chest piece is a robe or long coat, the entire set will look different without it. Very few gear sets in the game look entirely different without the headpiece. Furthermore it is the female versions of gendered gear that tend to show off more skin, and hrothgar being only male...well you can work that out.

    So no, saying that fur patterns and hairstyles are not equally good for showing off personal customisation isn't an opinion stated as a fact. It is a fact. Hairstyles can be displayed without compromising the look of most gear sets in the game. This is not the case for displaying chests and shoulders.

    Never mind how new hairstyles are new models, and fur patterns so far are little other than texture swaps.
    Yeah, I get where they're coming from but IMO even if fur patterns add a great layer to customization it can't be THE thing they have in place of hair styles.

    A part of me really thinks fur pattern tab will be where they get their hair styles from. But we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    If a hrothgar wants to show off their fur patterns then this immediately writes off a gigantic amount of gear from the game they can glam in to. This would actually include most of the job/role sets and mog station sets. The chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of a glam or gear set. In cases where the chest piece is a robe or long coat, the entire set will look different without it. Very few gear sets in the game look entirely different without the headpiece. Furthermore it is the female versions of gendered gear that tend to show off more skin, and hrothgar being only male...well you can work that out.

    Hairstyles can be displayed without compromising the look of most gear sets in the game. This is not the case for displaying chests and shoulders. Never mind how new hairstyles are new models, and fur patterns so far are little other than texture swaps.
    I agree with all of the above. It's interesting to me that a highly desired customization feature for a beast race is hair styles, a very human feature. Many people don't care for the fur options as much even though they can even alter what large cat species the character looks like. I guess the tall strong hunk factor is part of what draws players to the race, and not just the beast-like appearance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    So no, saying that fur patterns and hairstyles are not equally good for showing off personal customisation isn't an opinion stated as a fact. It is a fact.
    Well, I didn't say that they were equally good. The "body will be covered most the time" is what I was referring to as a player choice and preference. What you wrote about glamour sets doesn't contradict that it's a choice to cover up the fur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    I agree with all of the above. It's interesting to me that a highly desired customization feature for a beast race is hair styles, a very human feature.
    It's because the beast race is being inserted into a game that was designed for races that have only or mostly skin, without customisable patterns on the body. So they are clothed in a manner that reflects this.

    Most of the current gear sets are designed to either display the head or allow the option to, without compromising the design of the outfit. While chest and arms are very often completely covered by gear. So for many or even most hrothgar players they will end up in a situation where they can't see their fur patterns most of the time but they can always see their head. It's only natural to want to be able to extensively customise the part of your character that is on display the most.

    Additionally hrothgar have manes which can clearly be styled like normal hair. Even the textures look like hair from other races. At least with au ra horns you can make the argument that they're hard as bone so they can't really be styled.

    Also the eye is always drawn to the face whether you're looking at a human or a beast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Well, I didn't say that they were equally good. The "body will be covered most the time" is what I was referring to as a player choice and preference. What you wrote about glamour sets doesn't contradict that it's a choice to cover up the fur.
    While you're correct that it's a choice, you can't deny that when choosing to not cover the fur patterns your choice in chest pieces is dramatically reduced to the point that most gear sets will no longer look like themselves. Due to typical gear design, I think it would be particularly difficult for casters and tanks to find gear to display the fur patterns as well as being able to look like the job or role that they are playing as...and also be something that the player actually likes enough to glam in to.
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