Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[Destati]

Maybe SE had no choice but to tie hairstyles to faces for the Hrothgar due to the evident time crunch but this is arguably the worst aspect of their character creation (limited color palette for their feature colors aside) and it makes the face/horn-locking of the Au Ra look like far less of an issue by comparison. Viera I can see getting the rest of the universal hairstyles because at least their hair is separate and their head shapes aren't too different from other races. But with Hrothgar, not so much. And this greatly concerns me.
I get that character creation is limited to a certain number of categories per race so it's not like they can add "Hairstyle" as a separate category, but if I could sacrifice one of the current categories it would probably be the "Fang Size" one; I'm obviously not fully aware of how technical limitations work, but I would reallocate the fangs to the "Facial Features" category.
I don't know, I guess we'll just have to see how it all pans out...

[Reinha]

When new hairstyles are added in patches, I hope they give those styles or new ones to Viera and also add new fur patterns for Hrothgar. It wouldn't be nice to miss out on free updates because of race.

[Alleo]

When new hairstyles are added in patches, I hope they give those styles or new ones to Viera and also add new fur patterns for Hrothgar. It wouldn't be nice to miss out on free updates because of race.

But adding a fur option each time just is even more work. Not only does it need to be unique enough but we already do get less hairstyles with each patch, who knows if something like that would even give us less.

I think they going to have all shared hairstyles for both races . sicne there some hairstyles in moge staion and they must be aware of that thing . I think we going to get more at lunch 100%

I really hope that this is the case even if the options for Hrothgar hints at something else. Otherwise if we dont get them, why not tell us? Nothing worse than keeping such a big limitation from us when they simply could have told us...so maybe their silence is because they are coming..but why not write a post about this because they should know that we will notice this..

[Reinha]

But adding a fur option each time just is even more work. Not only does it need to be unique enough but we already do get less hairstyles with each patch, who knows if something like that would even give us less.

Of course it's more work, every addition is more work. The customer's concern is making requests that they personally like. As Penthea pointed out the patterns are just texture swaps so I doubt making more of them would have any significant impact on the rate we get new hair styles.

[reivaxe]

I really hope that this is the case even if the options for Hrothgar hints at something else. Otherwise if we dont get them, why not tell us? Nothing worse than keeping such a big limitation from us when they simply could have told us...so maybe their silence is because they are coming..but why not write a post about this because they should know that we will notice this..

It really is such a strange situation.

On 1 hand, we are right around the corner from release ... they should be done with any hair styles by now if Viera and Hrothgar will have them.

But on the other hand ... they DID have to release the Benchmark later than they would have liked.
Seemed that way at least with what they said.
With how simple Hrothgar hair is (They don't get highlights, their style of beastly hair is mostly just large pieces of hair texture with not much in the way of "fine details") I see no reason they couldn't or wouldn't make up Hrothgar versions of the hairs we already have. And it's prob not a problem giving Viera the reg hair seeing how some of their RACE LOCKED hair completely disregards their ears and clips right through. As it stands neither has shown a single image of their race with non-racial hair though.

Looking back, they were very open and clear about NO head gear for Hrothgar and Viera on release ... never once said anything about hairstyles though. Then we get them revealing that the devs worked on their own time to give us fans 400+ head gears for our new races even though time was scheduled and planned for that inclusion post release. They wanted to do right by fans from the start. It doesn't take a half of a thought to know that people REALLY won't be happy if they find out they can't use their Reward/ Mog/ Unlocked or 2mill gil hair styles on their bunny girl on release. Even more so with Hrothgar if the hair style guy doesn't allow you to change heads.
And given how customer friendly SE is with money it makes absolutely no sense for them to force Hrothgar players to buy a potion for $10 to just change their hair style. Like, in what world would that make sense?

Hell, the Cloud hair style is in the game as a reward to players for winning an art contest ... would they tell these people "You picked WHAT race? Too bad :P"?

So perhaps they're saving the common hair for release and want to just show the racial hair right now?

Cause really, IDK what to think. The more I think about this the less sense it makes for things to stay the way they are. I really feel like Viera will get all the normal styles and Hrothgar will have Fur Patterns be the tab you select Hrothgar versions of the shared hairs. Prob restricted to x number to a face with the important ones (Mog and rewards/ unlocks) going to all the heads.

We'll see but yeah ... I accept it for what it is NOW yet feel like there's gotta be more to come.

Honestly it feels like Hrothgar was just thrown in last minute and most/all their work went into Viera. At this point I would rather have male Viera than Hrothgar, because at least they would have different hairstyles with faces and more customization options.

I really don't get this thought process. To me it's the opposite ... just looking at what they DID with Hrothgar and how well it turned out post reveal shows me they got the most TLC.
Looking at how big, high quality and expressive their animations are ... how their mad emote tells a story and their DANCE basically tells one to. How you can feel the joy in their laughter and cheer. How cool their VOICES turned out. Looking at the care placed on their textures and fitting everything to a hunched over body shape that's new to the game. Adding such interesting face features and somehow getting convincing expressions out of animal heads.

Compared to the reserved, short and small animations of the Viera emotes. The lack of Ear animation, making their ears seem like head knives. To their hairstyles, some which clip right their their ear even though they were MADE for Viera and some of the longer ones that clip right through their shoulder when they move their head (which is strange, the 3 version hair with the Fran helm does a great job and not clipping but the other long hair goes right through even though it's not much different). To the voices not being consistent through their emotes (Even making sure to make many of the angry ones sound like moans ..)

Shows me they put a ton more effort into bringing the Hrothgar to life. Don't get me wrong, the Viera are still a job well done but to me it's clear they knocked Hrothgar outta the park with the amount of time and effort that went into them. Plus they have an insane amount of customization. Where as the Viera have face features that give them ... bigger eye lashes/ thicker brows/ a tiny mole or a head jem the Hrothgar get friggin whiskers/ scars/ face hair/ head hair/ horns/ chin spikes and such from that tab. Not even counting the fur patterns and tails and fangs.

The hair is a problem but it's a problem for both as is and I feel there's more to come for both.

[Crushnight]

It really is such a strange situation.

On 1 hand, we are right around the corner from release ... they should be done with any hair styles by now if Viera and Hrothgar will have them.

But on the other hand ... they DID have to release the Benchmark later than they would have liked.
Seemed that way at least with what they said.
With how simple Hrothgar hair is (They don't get highlights, their style of beastly hair is mostly just large pieces of hair texture with not much in the way of "fine details") I see no reason they couldn't or wouldn't make up Hrothgar versions of the hairs we already have. And it's prob not a problem giving Viera the reg hair seeing how some of their RACE LOCKED hair completely disregards their ears and clips right through. As it stands neither has shown a single image of their race with non-racial hair though.

Looking back, they were very open and clear about NO head gear for Hrothgar and Viera on release ... never once said anything about hairstyles though. Then we get them revealing that the devs worked on their own time to give us fans 400+ head gears for our new races even though time was scheduled and planned for that inclusion post release. They wanted to do right by fans from the start. It doesn't take a half of a thought to know that people REALLY won't be happy if they find out they can't use their Reward/ Mog/ Unlocked or 2mill gil hair styles on their bunny girl on release. Even more so with Hrothgar if the hair style guy doesn't allow you to change heads.
And given how customer friendly SE is with money it makes absolutely no sense for them to force Hrothgar players to buy a potion for $10 to just change their hair style. Like, in what world would that make sense?

Hell, the Cloud hair style is in the game as a reward to players for winning an art contest ... would they tell these people "You picked WHAT race? Too bad :P"?

So perhaps they're saving the common hair for release and want to just show the racial hair right now?

Cause really, IDK what to think. The more I think about this the less sense it makes for things to stay the way they are. I really feel like Viera will get all the normal styles and Hrothgar will have Fur Patterns be the tab you select Hrothgar versions of the shared hairs. Prob restricted to x number to a face with the important ones (Mog and rewards/ unlocks) going to all the heads.

We'll see but yeah ... I accept it for what it is NOW yet feel like there's gotta be more to come.



I really don't get this thought process. To me it's the opposite ... just looking at what they DID with Hrothgar and how well it turned out post reveal shows me they got the most TLC.
Looking at how big, high quality and expressive their animations are ... how their mad emote tells a story and their DANCE basically tells one to. How you can feel the joy in their laughter and cheer. How cool their VOICES turned out. Looking at the care placed on their textures and fitting everything to a hunched over body shape that's new to the game. Adding such interesting face features and somehow getting convincing expressions out of animal heads.

Compared to the reserved, short and small animations of the Viera emotes. The lack of Ear animation, making their ears seem like head knives. To their hairstyles, some which clip right their their ear even though they were MADE for Viera and some of the longer ones that clip right through their shoulder when they move their head (which is strange, the 3 version hair with the Fran helm does a great job and not clipping but the other long hair goes right through even though it's not much different). To the voices not being consistent through their emotes (Even making sure to make many of the angry ones sound like moans ..)

Shows me they put a ton more effort into bringing the Hrothgar to life. Don't get me wrong, the Viera are still a job well done but to me it's clear they knocked Hrothgar outta the park with the amount of time and effort that went into them. Plus they have an insane amount of customization. Where as the Viera have face features that give them ... bigger eye lashes/ thicker brows/ a tiny mole or a head jem the Hrothgar get friggin whiskers/ scars/ face hair/ head hair/ horns/ chin spikes and such from that tab. Not even counting the fur patterns and tails and fangs.

The hair is a problem but it's a problem for both as is and I feel there's more to come for both.

On the one hand they were up front with headgear on the other hand they decided to not tell their customers Viera would be playable female only for nearly 2 months. SE/the devs have both been upfront and coy about things they should have said so this situation could go either way the benchmark however was unfinished you could tell by there still being Japanese on the English version of it but the feature to select hairstyles is missing from Hrothgar so it may be that their situation is more like au ra and their horns we don't know yet.

I hope this is not all there is for Hrothgar, i am less worried for Viera since they do have the hairstyle option but this definitely puts a damper on things.

[Duskane]

I don't think adding a fur pattern can really be on the same page as adding a hairstyle
Since there body will be covered most the time

[Reinha]

I don't think adding a fur pattern can really be on the same page as adding a hairstyle
Since there body will be covered most the time

Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.

So what you're saying is

right above.

[Penthea]

Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.

So what you're saying is being topless is the same as not wearing a hat.

[VirusOnline]

Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.

I'm sorry, but this is a bit ridiculous, but are you saying that :
Dressing (which is THE default and which will cover up markings and fur), is a conscious decision therefore it's the player's fault and not the feature's downside ?

Sorry, but that's the very definition of a feature with a downside. If you adhere to the default of the game's dress code, the default being that one is commonly clothed, then a feature which by default will be hidden is a downside of that feature. No one will see if unless you purposely remove your armor or a clothing allows for it to be somewhat seen.

I have to agree with Duskane here, hair style and markings are two different forms of player expression/choice and I don't see the logic in barring the one and only race from hairstyles. We're asking for carbon copies with the only difference is telling a colour palette swap, because let's be honest here we know what face is going to be the most widely used.