Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[SturmChurro]

regardless. I think viera are super cool and fit the game's asthetic a lot better than hrotgar, but this game can greatly use of a bestial race and it adds more overall. I'd be fine with either

Yeah, I don't think SE is equipped to handle something as complex as the Hrothgar. They should have just given us Male viera alongside female viera. At least we would have hairstyles, and some lithe abs to look at.

[zeylos]

Yeah, I don't think SE is equipped to handle something as complex as the Hrothgar. They should have just given us Male viera alongside female viera. At least we would have hairstyles, and some lithe abs to look at.

I'm honestly kinda sad because of how male hrotgar were made. They could have given them things such as 4-legs running animations or fairstyles that look like manes. I think that charr is a very very good example of a beast race and SE sadly wasn't able to hit that point with the race imo. I hope the female hrotgar will be made better I guess, and that males get more options

[Alleo]

I think the current hairstyles clip with viera ears, that's why they weren't able to put them with the current global hairstyles.

They have said they are working to make helmets and stuff work with them though so I think hairstyles may go along with that and we will see them later.

The sad thing is that I have seen at least one Viera hairstyle that clips with their shoulder. So honestly that would be a bad argument in my view, especially since we have a certain "ball" hairstyle that looks really strange on the kittens because they would not change it for them. IMO let the people decide if they want to have to deal with that or not.

This math doesn't add up nicely. Every viera face can have any viera hairstyle. This is not the case for hrothgar. Claiming that the math doesn't lie in this context is like telling two groups of people that they have an even amount of clothing, but in the case of one group they fit only half of them. So while both groups have the same amount of clothing, only one group can wear everything. The math only looks tidy when you don't bother to think about the end user experience.

The math doesnt also add up if you simply look at this with "one person creates one character". If you want a character you can only choose one face. With female Viera you can use one face and with that 8 different hairstyles and one variation for this thanks to the ones with or without bangs. If you choose a face from Hrothgar you can choose two hairstyles for it and maybe some small variations to this later but in the end its still 8 vs. 2.

The same could be said about hair and helmets though. I understand that the players who want to enjoy the fur choices without being in various stages of undress will be out of luck.

They could have done both. I mean we get racial tattos, so maybe make the fur the tattoo option and the color of the fur would be the one you choose for your hair. This way all that want different fur can have it. At the same time have the hairstyles unlocked from the faces and those would be happy too. I at least have my character much more without a headgear (or the option on to turn them off) so hairstyles are important for me.

IMO making fur that important in customization for the Hrothgar just feels bad because that will also restrict the glamour option for this race even more since you cant see it with most gear. (And at the same time I question why it was even so important to give us headgear at launch if they have the same hair anyway all the time. But that of course is just my opinion)

[Duskane]

there is something i feel they messed up or was a odd decision with Hroth the leopard/coerl face
how it has "tattoos" but they are spikes that stick out his face not much of a tattoo

[Destati]

Maybe SE had no choice but to tie hairstyles to faces for the Hrothgar due to the evident time crunch but this is arguably the worst aspect of their character creation (limited color palette for their feature colors aside) and it makes the face/horn-locking of the Au Ra look like far less of an issue by comparison. Viera I can see getting the rest of the universal hairstyles because at least their hair is separate and their head shapes aren't too different from other races. But with Hrothgar, not so much. And this greatly concerns me.
I get that character creation is limited to a certain number of categories per race so it's not like they can add "Hairstyle" as a separate category, but if I could sacrifice one of the current categories it would probably be the "Fang Size" one; I'm obviously not fully aware of how technical limitations work, but I would reallocate the fangs to the "Facial Features" category.
I don't know, I guess we'll just have to see how it all pans out...

[reivaxe]

I'm not sure about how to interpret the "no headgear" thing. It sounded like they may have just turned off visible headgear entirely because some items wouldn't work. (And did I read correctly that Fran's headdress is actually a customisation option for one of the faces, rather than equippable gear? In that case they might not want any helms to be visibly equippable because it would clash.)


I also think the "packaged deal" thing might be in place, as you say, so they may not have wanted to give visible gear to one but not the other, even if it would have looked fine on the Viera from the beginning.

But I'm not so sure about the argument that "if one expects one to get more hair it seems like the other would get more as well", because they're not equivalent at a programming level.

Not really anything worth debating seeing as they can put w/e they want in "fur patterns" tab (even you point that out). I've already floated the idea of them splitting up the current/ reward/ unlock hair styles among the face options we have as to avoid having to make them all work on each head and placing them in fur pattern tab.

But yes, this is a big deal. They make sure to make many reward hair styles open to both genders because they are for everyone. Heck, they literally made Cloud's hair the reward for an art contest. To gate the new races from such things would be a horrible decision. Tis why I see this as uncharted territory and say we should wait and see what becomes of it.

I fully accept that this could be all there is for both but there are just too many things that wouldn't make sense from a game dev or business stand point as this would clearly be anti-player as all hell the way it is now.

I really do hope to roll into ShB and click on Fur Pattern tab and see a selection of "beast version" hairs we already have and for Viera to get all the goods as well, they never once said that the problems with their heads would stop their hair game after all and they were hella open about no head gear.

But that would be a sweet surprise, not an expectation.

[Reinha]

When new hairstyles are added in patches, I hope they give those styles or new ones to Viera and also add new fur patterns for Hrothgar. It wouldn't be nice to miss out on free updates because of race.

[Duskane]

I don't think adding a fur pattern can really be on the same page as adding a hairstyle
Since there body will be covered most the time

[Reinha]

I don't think adding a fur pattern can really be on the same page as adding a hairstyle
Since there body will be covered most the time

Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.

So what you're saying is

right above.

[Penthea]

Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.

So what you're saying is being topless is the same as not wearing a hat.