Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[Duskane]

Most head gear in this game doesn't cover the entire head and there is a toggle for head gear its a way more lenient piece hence why they are slowly working on adding head gear for viera and hroth,
Most chest piece for males are not revealing at all and there is no toggle to hide chest other than glamor yes obviously if a hrothgar wants to go topless to show there pattern its up to them
But chest fur pattern and hair styles really should not considered the same or something that should be added to replace hair styles.

[Penthea]

Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.

I'm going to assume from your edit that you reached your post limit.

If a hrothgar wants to show off their fur patterns then this immediately writes off a gigantic amount of gear from the game they can glam in to. This would actually include most of the job/role sets and mog station sets. The chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of a glam or gear set. In cases where the chest piece is a robe or long coat, the entire set will look different without it. Very few gear sets in the game look entirely different without the headpiece. Furthermore it is the female versions of gendered gear that tend to show off more skin, and hrothgar being only male...well you can work that out.

So no, saying that fur patterns and hairstyles are not equally good for showing off personal customisation isn't an opinion stated as a fact. It is a fact. Hairstyles can be displayed without compromising the look of most gear sets in the game. This is not the case for displaying chests and shoulders.

Never mind how new hairstyles are new models, and fur patterns so far are little other than texture swaps.

[reivaxe]

I'm going to assume from your edit that you reached your post limit.

If a hrothgar wants to show off their fur patterns then this immediately writes off a gigantic amount of gear from the game they can glam in to. This would actually include most of the job/role sets and mog station sets. The chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of a glam or gear set. In cases where the chest piece is a robe or long coat, the entire set will look different without it. Very few gear sets in the game look entirely different without the headpiece. Furthermore it is the female versions of gendered gear that tend to show off more skin, and hrothgar being only male...well you can work that out.

So no, saying that fur patterns and hairstyles are not equally good for showing off personal customisation isn't an opinion stated as a fact. It is a fact. Hairstyles can be displayed without compromising the look of most gear sets in the game. This is not the case for displaying chests and shoulders.

Never mind how new hairstyles are new models, and fur patterns so far are little other than texture swaps.

Yeah, I get where they're coming from but IMO even if fur patterns add a great layer to customization it can't be THE thing they have in place of hair styles.

A part of me really thinks fur pattern tab will be where they get their hair styles from. But we'll see.

[Reinha]

obviously if a hrothgar wants to go topless to show there pattern its up to them

That's all I was saying. The body will not be covered most of the time if the player chooses so. Full coverage armor is not some inevitable reality that makes body customization have no value.

But chest fur pattern and hair styles really should not considered the same or something that should be added to replace hair styles.

I agree, it would have been better to get both. The devs disagree. After the pointless male Viera hype I don't know why anyone would think we're getting something more than what's in the benchmark. The patterns are replacing hair customization and that's why I wished for more patterns in the future. When Au Ra gets more horns I'll ask for more hairstyles for Hrothgar.

[Reinha]

If a hrothgar wants to show off their fur patterns then this immediately writes off a gigantic amount of gear from the game they can glam in to. This would actually include most of the job/role sets and mog station sets. The chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of a glam or gear set. In cases where the chest piece is a robe or long coat, the entire set will look different without it. Very few gear sets in the game look entirely different without the headpiece. Furthermore it is the female versions of gendered gear that tend to show off more skin, and hrothgar being only male...well you can work that out.

Hairstyles can be displayed without compromising the look of most gear sets in the game. This is not the case for displaying chests and shoulders. Never mind how new hairstyles are new models, and fur patterns so far are little other than texture swaps.

I agree with all of the above. It's interesting to me that a highly desired customization feature for a beast race is hair styles, a very human feature. Many people don't care for the fur options as much even though they can even alter what large cat species the character looks like. I guess the tall strong hunk factor is part of what draws players to the race, and not just the beast-like appearance.

So no, saying that fur patterns and hairstyles are not equally good for showing off personal customisation isn't an opinion stated as a fact. It is a fact.

Well, I didn't say that they were equally good. The "body will be covered most the time" is what I was referring to as a player choice and preference. What you wrote about glamour sets doesn't contradict that it's a choice to cover up the fur.

[VirusOnline]

Again this preference is being stated as a fact. There is nothing in the game that forces you to wear helmets or full body armor. If either the hair styles or fur patterns are covered up, that is a conscious choice of the player and not a downside of the feature.

I'm sorry, but this is a bit ridiculous, but are you saying that :
Dressing (which is THE default and which will cover up markings and fur), is a conscious decision therefore it's the player's fault and not the feature's downside ?

Sorry, but that's the very definition of a feature with a downside. If you adhere to the default of the game's dress code, the default being that one is commonly clothed, then a feature which by default will be hidden is a downside of that feature. No one will see if unless you purposely remove your armor or a clothing allows for it to be somewhat seen.

I have to agree with Duskane here, hair style and markings are two different forms of player expression/choice and I don't see the logic in barring the one and only race from hairstyles. We're asking for carbon copies with the only difference is telling a colour palette swap, because let's be honest here we know what face is going to be the most widely used.

[Penthea]

I agree with all of the above. It's interesting to me that a highly desired customization feature for a beast race is hair styles, a very human feature.

It's because the beast race is being inserted into a game that was designed for races that have only or mostly skin, without customisable patterns on the body. So they are clothed in a manner that reflects this.

Most of the current gear sets are designed to either display the head or allow the option to, without compromising the design of the outfit. While chest and arms are very often completely covered by gear. So for many or even most hrothgar players they will end up in a situation where they can't see their fur patterns most of the time but they can always see their head. It's only natural to want to be able to extensively customise the part of your character that is on display the most.

Additionally hrothgar have manes which can clearly be styled like normal hair. Even the textures look like hair from other races. At least with au ra horns you can make the argument that they're hard as bone so they can't really be styled.

Also the eye is always drawn to the face whether you're looking at a human or a beast.

Well, I didn't say that they were equally good. The "body will be covered most the time" is what I was referring to as a player choice and preference. What you wrote about glamour sets doesn't contradict that it's a choice to cover up the fur.

While you're correct that it's a choice, you can't deny that when choosing to not cover the fur patterns your choice in chest pieces is dramatically reduced to the point that most gear sets will no longer look like themselves. Due to typical gear design, I think it would be particularly difficult for casters and tanks to find gear to display the fur patterns as well as being able to look like the job or role that they are playing as...and also be something that the player actually likes enough to glam in to.

[Merry-Nightmare]

I think they going to have all shared hairstyles for both races . sicne there some hairstyles in moge staion and they must be aware of that thing . I think we going to get more at lunch 100%

[Reinha]

If you adhere to the default of the game's dress code

Which is a choice. I don't know why it's so controversial to challenge that "the body will be covered most the time". If my Hrothgar is able to show the fur pattern most of the time, it's not a bug or a hack. It's... player preference.

a feature which by default will be hidden is a downside of that feature

You are arguing that any modifications to the body, such as tattoos, scales, fur or chest hair, are all features with an inherent downside. I don't agree. It's up to the player's fashion preferences whether the placement of the feature is a downside or not.

I have to agree with Duskane here, hair style and markings are two different forms of player expression/choice

Yes, they are.

Dressing (which is THE default and which will cover up markings and fur)

I just want to point out that the default outfit for Hrothgar does not cover the fur.

you can't deny that when choosing to not cover the fur patterns your choice in chest pieces is dramatically reduced

And I didn't deny this.

[Alleo]

When new hairstyles are added in patches, I hope they give those styles or new ones to Viera and also add new fur patterns for Hrothgar. It wouldn't be nice to miss out on free updates because of race.

But adding a fur option each time just is even more work. Not only does it need to be unique enough but we already do get less hairstyles with each patch, who knows if something like that would even give us less.

I think they going to have all shared hairstyles for both races . sicne there some hairstyles in moge staion and they must be aware of that thing . I think we going to get more at lunch 100%

I really hope that this is the case even if the options for Hrothgar hints at something else. Otherwise if we dont get them, why not tell us? Nothing worse than keeping such a big limitation from us when they simply could have told us...so maybe their silence is because they are coming..but why not write a post about this because they should know that we will notice this..