watch a guide, you are not gonna die

[Veis_Alveare]

If it's not Extremes, Savage, or Ultimate, you don't need to watch a guide, though. It takes next to no time for someone to point out the few mechanics that one would need to look out for in a dungeon boss if someone asks for it. The fact that someone asked should be enough to get someone to help, since most people don't.

I have stopped doing 24mans on anything but a healer because of this very mentality.

The truth is some people are skilled enough to pick up mechanics in casual content on the fly but that doesn't mean everyone is. It's safer to suggest to everyone that they should spend a few minutes watching a guide than it is to have faith they're going to be able to keep up otherwise.

As a ps4 player I literally purchased a keyboard just to be able to explain things to people in chat specifically because I was tired of people not knowing what they were doing and wiping groups needlessly. Relying on other players to be able to explain mechanics isn't a perfect system, requesting people taking a few minutes to skim a text guide before entering new content isn't asking too much.

[Alaray]

1) it's a video game, people like to go through these things as new players and experiencing it first hand without the necessity to go to a guide.

2) 24 mans don't require fight knowledge to win. There's maybe 1 important group mechanic per boss, if that, and that's a line to explain. Literally nothing else required.

3) you can win in 24 mans with the vast majority of people dead, because they're a) that easy, and b) there's 0 enrage so dying doesn't even matter with regards to just winning at these fights. You can die 300 times, but if you're pulled up every time, the boss will die.

4) it's a mmo. Talking to other players is part of the genre, asking for help in groups is actually a core component of the point of the genre actually existing. Remove what little socialization that does take place to help people through content, and you may as well turn off the game, stop paying a sub for it, and go play a single player title instead.

[Veis_Alveare]

1) it's a video game, people like to go through these things as new players and experiencing it first hand without the necessity to go to a guide.

2) 24 mans don't require fight knowledge to win. There's maybe 1 important group mechanic per boss, if that, and that's a line to explain. Literally nothing else required.

3) you can win in 24 mans with the vast majority of people dead, because they're a) that easy, and b) there's 0 enrage so dying doesn't even matter with regards to just winning at these fights. You can die 300 times, but if you're pulled up every time, the boss will die.

4) it's a mmo. Talking to other players is part of the genre, asking for help in groups is actually a core component of the point of the genre actually existing. Remove what little socialization that does take place to help people through content, and you may as well turn off the game, stop paying a sub for it, and go play a single player title instead.

1) I don't care what people like.

2) Cid from Orbonne says hi.

3) Cid sends another postcard from the real world to you.

4) Not everyone plays on PC or has a keyboard, typing on ps4 without a keyboard is awful.

[Alaray]

1) I don't care what people like.

2) Cid from Orbonne says hi.

3) Cid sends another postcard from the real world to you.

4) Not everyone plays on PC or has a keyboard, typing on ps4 without a keyboard is awful.

1) That's a nice, healthy position to have in a game oriented with social aspects.

2) Cid has 1 mechanic to worry about, and that is, in fact, stand in the glowy circle. Oh, and I guess drop an AoE to the back and to the left, but I guess that's hard to explain.

3) I'm sorry you seem to struggle with a boss that can be explained in less than two sentences. Finding the link to a guide video to present to a new player would, probably, take more time than deciding to be actually helpful. *I'll iterate: the really Important, Will Kill Other People Stuff can be explained in 2 sentences. Who cares if rando james dies to crush weapon. Not like him dead on the ground will cause a wipe because you can't meet enr- oh there isn't one.

4) Plenty of people do, and just because people might not have access to a keyboard, which won't be an entire raid group... doesn't mean someone needs to watch an Orbonne Monastary guide. Thinking that's a requirement is laughable. You don't even need the entire group to do the mechanic, just six out of eight.

I'm kinda astounded your argument boils down to "it doesn't cater to me so i dont care"


Here, I'll even sum it up for you so you can copy paste it on your special PS4 Keyboard:

When he puts his swords in the arena floor, stay inside of his hit box.
When he holds his swords laterally to his body, go away from him.
When you get a big Red target marker over your head: Go to the left and run away from the AoE.
When he casts "Shadowblade" and you have a marker over your head, one goes back, other goes to the left.
When he hovers a blade over your section of the arena, move away.

Those five sentences took a shorter amount of time for me to type, than it did for me to look up "Shadowblade" to get the name of the ability. And even then, you could probably just say "follow the group" for most of those. Can also change "left" with "right" but most experiences I had was generally back and to the left. But I know it can be done the other way.

(tl;dr: follow the group, red mark run left, black mark take it to the back or to the left, stand in the glowy circle )

[Kurando]

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Unfortunately in some situations you could explain every single mech and players could still do something wrong, playing on an EU centre where not everyone speaks English (even NA has some non-English speakers) it can be tough to explain something that cannot be so easily translated. I mean now as the content is becoming more older, wipes are less frequent but it's not uncommon to get in-prog Orbonne duty pop 40+ mins in and know Cid has broken some of the parties inside. Does watching a guide beforehand help, yeah sure, but it's usually not a necessity for content that is so casual, worse case scenario the bads get kicked from the party.