watch a guide, you are not gonna die

[Jeeqbit]

Dungeons are designed in such a way that the mechanics are either obvious or that you'll figure them out really quickly, even if it takes 1 death to think: "oh, that's how it works". They often introduce mechanics to you one at a time, before putting them all together in sequence to test if you figured them all out. You don't need a guide, but having a mechanic explained that is less obvious and more deadly may save you from dying unnecesarily.

I choose to just go through a dungeon and not explain anything unless asked, so that they can do it blind if they wish. If they repeatedly mess up a crucial mechanic I briefly explain it after the fight so that they know for next time.

[HyoMinPark]

but there are people that do, and if its not necessary for non savage content why do people annoy others asking for help, when they arent mentors or anything? if its so irrelevant they shouldnt ask for help anyway

There’s this thing called “learning”—some of the players you encounter are new players that aren’t familiar with certain mechanics. If they ask for clarification—or if they ask “anything of note I should watch out for”—that is them trying to learn. Why not help them by telling them what they have to look out for? Is that hard? I suppose so.

Dungeons aren’t Savage where a mistake can easily lead to a snowball into a wipe. If you were discussing Savage, I would be far more sympathetic with your ranting. But you’re discussing dungeons. Easy content or not, why are you trying to discourage people from asking for help?

It’s no wonder so many new players feel hesitant to ask for help when they’re met with players like yourself who want to shirk questions with “Watch a YouTube video”.

[Cheremia]

There’s this thing called “learning”—some of the players you encounter are new players that aren’t familiar with certain mechanics. If they ask for clarification—or if they ask “anything of note I should watch out for”—that is them trying to learn. Why not help them by telling them what they have to look out for? Is that hard? I suppose so.

Literally the first thing i do when i see new people at Nidhogg: The big circle with arrows is a stack marker, go there and STAY stacked please!!
But yeah, i'm with you.

Learning exes blind is very fun, very interesting and there are people willing to go into learnparties to actually help.

You can even go blind into savages... if you have a STATIC that is fine with it or you find people that are fine with it, so....


Let people watch guides if they want to, let people go in blind.

somebody in a dungeon/trial "i watched a video"
me "lol you didn't need to"

[Fyce]

You're making a big deal out of a rare exception.

People who actually want to get spoiled a fight by specifically being told in chat what to do just before the pull are really not that common. And when you do encounter them, just ignore them if you don't want to be helpful or friendly to them. Telling them to go watch or read a guide is completly useless in that situation... which is the reason why you get these negative reactions.
Again, it's better to simply say nothing rather than saying something useless that might sound provocative. Short answer: if you don't want to help or be friendly, then don't say anything.

Regardless, if you tag in DF, you're accepting that you can get matched with literally anyone and that some patience might be required. If you don't want that, go make or join a PF group with the rules that suits your needs. It's not the other way around.

Finally, if someone is playing in a way that your group finds detrimental and/or incompatible with the mindset of the majority, the votekick option is there. It completly falls under "differences in playstyle".

[LittleChickenNugget]

Fine, I'll be the one to say it. OP sounds kind of insufferable.

[Zeonx]

Some people just don't like spoilers they want the excitement like a surprise even if they have to go in cold turkey and die.

Now if you win or lose they can probably look at the guide after that but you cannot force someone to do it on the first try.

[Yllania]

Ill watch a guide AND die, you dont control my life.

[FoxyAreku]

Only time you should have to watch a guide is if you're doing savage or extreme. No other fights really need that much commitment

[Alaray]

explaining the 1 or 2 mechanics that exist in regular duties really isn't as hard as people act like it is, and takes way less time than watching a guide on something like Ghimlyt Dark.

Ex/Savage sure, watch a guide.

But how hard is it to say "stand in the glowy circle and drop the shadowaoe back and to the left" and that's a boss.

[Niqote]

Some people just don't like spoilers they want the excitement like a surprise even if they have to go in cold turkey and die.

Now if you win or lose they can probably look at the guide after that but you cannot force someone to do it on the first try.

Agreed.

To each their own, if you want to know every little thing that was discovered by someone else beforehand, you go right ahead and copy them.
For other people, the wonder and excitement of exploration and discovery still exist. And a loss is nothing more then the cost of progression.

I happen to learn much faster and more thoughtfully by diving into the deep end and figuring it out by doing it. So I've never really looked up any Extreme fights, and certainly not a dungeon because they are completely self explanatory. But not everyone is like that, so you do you Eorzeans.

On the topic of mentoring: Regardless of if I was acting as a mentor or not, I'll explain something if someone asks... that's just normal decency.

The important thing is you always do your personal best and don't purposefully slack off.