watch a guide, you are not gonna die

[Vahlnir]

Fine, I'll be the one to say it. OP sounds kind of insufferable.

I didn't want to say it...but I will neither confirm or deny thinking it.

[Unscene]

With DF groups, I am fine with others going in blind and I think its a rather ridiculous notion that people should have to watch a video first before going into content. If you can\\'t hang with that, make your own private groups via PF and make the guide watching a requirement.

Preach, sister.

[Selova]

I honestly think this could be a issue due to a generation gap of gamers, I don't really want to use the term lazy. I've been playing MMO's and online games since 2004 and anytime I either had a question because I didn't know something or I was about to jump into any form of group content I would always either google and find my answer within minutes and/or watch a video guide to at least familiarize myself with what i was getting into. Over the years I would see countless people ask in-game the easiest questions over and over and in the time it took someone to respond to them they could have easily found the answer they were looking for themselves. This isn't in anyway a slight towards people with that mentality, I guess It's a lack of understanding it.

[Dualblade]

It has nothing to do with a generation gap, plenty of people old and young do the same thing over and over. The only difference is what type of excuse that might try to make for why they didn't do something like looking it up on google/youtube/lodestone/things like that.

[Alucard135]

I was speaking from my own perspective, back when I was new to that dungeon. What if I go into a dungeon and nobody bothers to explain it to me? I tend to be rather quiet, so I'm probably not going to ask the party for an explanation.

Honestly, it's just more reliable for me to Google it. That's how I choose to conduct myself. In no way do I expect you to feel the same way.

Why the healer specifically? In this dungeon, unlike other dooms, you stand on the glowing platform to remove the doom.

My bad, I was thinking of Wanderer's Place hard, where the doom needs to be fully healed to be removed.

[linay]

It's ok to ask people to watch a guide as long as you're willing to wait. It's ok to want to go in blind. If there is no agreement, it's ok to leave.

[guardin]

im sorry but this is a constant problem to me, people being lazy and expecting others to just give them everything they need like my time isnt worth anything

no its not a problem. its your personal problem. theres nothing wrong with people not watching a guide. you are just being selfish. some people like to go in blind and learn from experience the way games were originally meant to be played. Asking for minor pointers is different than watching a 30 min video about mechanics.

[Veis_Alveare]

no its not a problem. its your personal problem. theres nothing wrong with people not watching a guide. you are just being selfish. some people like to go in blind and learn from experience the way games were originally meant to be played. Asking for minor pointers is different than watching a 30 min video about mechanics.

There are no 30 minute videos about mechanics, even late stage Savage fights are summed up in less than half that time. Hyperbole just makes your argument look weaker.

If you want to be a burden to your party needlessly that's cool but don't be mad when the vote kick gets passed.

[HyoMinPark]

There are no 30 minute videos about mechanics, even late stage Savage fights are summed up in less than half that time. Hyperbole just makes your argument look weaker.

If you want to be a burden to your party needlessly that's cool but don't be mad when the vote kick gets passed.

If it's not Extremes, Savage, or Ultimate, you don't need to watch a guide, though. It takes next to no time for someone to point out the few mechanics that one would need to look out for in a dungeon boss if someone asks for it. The fact that someone asked should be enough to get someone to help, since most people don't.

OP's entire argument is that players should watch guides for EVERY. PIECE. OF. CONTENT. Including dungeons where explaining the important things would take less time than typing into a YouTube search.


EDIT because posting limit (Can we do away with this? Seriously?):

I have stopped doing 24mans on anything but a healer because of this very mentality.

The truth is some people are skilled enough to pick up mechanics in casual content on the fly but that doesn't mean everyone is. It's safer to suggest to everyone that they should spend a few minutes watching a guide than it is to have faith they're going to be able to keep up otherwise.

As a ps4 player I literally purchased a keyboard just to be able to explain things to people in chat specifically because I was tired of people not knowing what they were doing and wiping groups needlessly. Relying on other players to be able to explain mechanics isn't a perfect system, requesting people taking a few minutes to skim a text guide before entering new content isn't asking too much.

I think a lot of people in this community forget that not everyone learns how to do mechanics the first time around - or that people have different learning styles. Some people can pick up what to do by watching other players do the mechanics for them (i.e., visual learners can learn from videos), but others have to learn by doing. I fall in the latter category, and I'm sure there are plenty of others that do as well. Not everyone can pick things up as quickly as you or I could either, so some need to learn some patience when dealing with players like this - if it's their first time and they're asking what they're doing wrong, I have endless amounts of patience for people like this. I'd rather someone ask me for help if they don't know what they're doing as opposed to staying silent, but people like the OP that brush off helping others with "watch a video" is one of the reasons new players have said that they don't bother to ask for help. Answering someone's question of "Is there anything important I need to know here?" with "Go watch a video" is not helpful to them; it's probably the least helpful thing you could say to someone in the midst of a piece of content. Taking 10~15 seconds to say "Yeah, watching out for Crush Helm - that's his tankbuster, so make sure to pop a CD for it" is much faster and far more helpful.


If you or OP were talking about Extremes, Savages, or Ultimates, you would have a point. People should go into that content with at least a little bit of preparation - even if they're joining learning groups. But dungeons? Normal Trials? Normal mode raids? 24-mans? These can be explained fairly quickly and even on the fly if necessary, with very few exceptions (and even those exceptions can be cleared if the newbies listen). Sure, they may screw up, but they probably would have done so even if they'd watched a guide beforehand.

If you get a player that won't listen, well, they aren't worth the effort and it's unlikely that they would have looked up a guide, anyways.

[Veis_Alveare]

If it's not Extremes, Savage, or Ultimate, you don't need to watch a guide, though. It takes next to no time for someone to point out the few mechanics that one would need to look out for in a dungeon boss if someone asks for it. The fact that someone asked should be enough to get someone to help, since most people don't.

I have stopped doing 24mans on anything but a healer because of this very mentality.

The truth is some people are skilled enough to pick up mechanics in casual content on the fly but that doesn't mean everyone is. It's safer to suggest to everyone that they should spend a few minutes watching a guide than it is to have faith they're going to be able to keep up otherwise.

As a ps4 player I literally purchased a keyboard just to be able to explain things to people in chat specifically because I was tired of people not knowing what they were doing and wiping groups needlessly. Relying on other players to be able to explain mechanics isn't a perfect system, requesting people taking a few minutes to skim a text guide before entering new content isn't asking too much.