watch a guide, you are not gonna die

[TalosEscher]

Well, even if someone does watch a guide, chances are they are going to die in game at least once or twice.

thats fine, my problem is them asking for mechanics when they didnt bother to look for them first

[Lambdafish]

thats fine, my problem is them asking for mechanics when they didnt bother to look for them first

Honestly, I've never encountered this other than week 1 of a patch (where guides are still being formed), or low level content where the question is instead "anything of note that I need to watch out for?".

Regardless, this is a very very niche thing to complain about

[TalosEscher]

Honestly, I've never encountered this other than week 1 of a patch (where guides are still being formed), or low level content where the question is instead "anything of note that I need to watch out for?".

Regardless, this is a very very niche thing to complain about

im sorry but this is a constant problem to me, people being lazy and expecting others to just give them everything they need like my time isnt worth anything

[guardin]

im sorry but this is a constant problem to me, people being lazy and expecting others to just give them everything they need like my time isnt worth anything

no its not a problem. its your personal problem. theres nothing wrong with people not watching a guide. you are just being selfish. some people like to go in blind and learn from experience the way games were originally meant to be played. Asking for minor pointers is different than watching a 30 min video about mechanics.

[Veis_Alveare]

no its not a problem. its your personal problem. theres nothing wrong with people not watching a guide. you are just being selfish. some people like to go in blind and learn from experience the way games were originally meant to be played. Asking for minor pointers is different than watching a 30 min video about mechanics.

There are no 30 minute videos about mechanics, even late stage Savage fights are summed up in less than half that time. Hyperbole just makes your argument look weaker.

If you want to be a burden to your party needlessly that's cool but don't be mad when the vote kick gets passed.

[HyoMinPark]

There are no 30 minute videos about mechanics, even late stage Savage fights are summed up in less than half that time. Hyperbole just makes your argument look weaker.

If you want to be a burden to your party needlessly that's cool but don't be mad when the vote kick gets passed.

If it's not Extremes, Savage, or Ultimate, you don't need to watch a guide, though. It takes next to no time for someone to point out the few mechanics that one would need to look out for in a dungeon boss if someone asks for it. The fact that someone asked should be enough to get someone to help, since most people don't.

OP's entire argument is that players should watch guides for EVERY. PIECE. OF. CONTENT. Including dungeons where explaining the important things would take less time than typing into a YouTube search.


EDIT because posting limit (Can we do away with this? Seriously?):

I have stopped doing 24mans on anything but a healer because of this very mentality.

The truth is some people are skilled enough to pick up mechanics in casual content on the fly but that doesn't mean everyone is. It's safer to suggest to everyone that they should spend a few minutes watching a guide than it is to have faith they're going to be able to keep up otherwise.

As a ps4 player I literally purchased a keyboard just to be able to explain things to people in chat specifically because I was tired of people not knowing what they were doing and wiping groups needlessly. Relying on other players to be able to explain mechanics isn't a perfect system, requesting people taking a few minutes to skim a text guide before entering new content isn't asking too much.

I think a lot of people in this community forget that not everyone learns how to do mechanics the first time around - or that people have different learning styles. Some people can pick up what to do by watching other players do the mechanics for them (i.e., visual learners can learn from videos), but others have to learn by doing. I fall in the latter category, and I'm sure there are plenty of others that do as well. Not everyone can pick things up as quickly as you or I could either, so some need to learn some patience when dealing with players like this - if it's their first time and they're asking what they're doing wrong, I have endless amounts of patience for people like this. I'd rather someone ask me for help if they don't know what they're doing as opposed to staying silent, but people like the OP that brush off helping others with "watch a video" is one of the reasons new players have said that they don't bother to ask for help. Answering someone's question of "Is there anything important I need to know here?" with "Go watch a video" is not helpful to them; it's probably the least helpful thing you could say to someone in the midst of a piece of content. Taking 10~15 seconds to say "Yeah, watching out for Crush Helm - that's his tankbuster, so make sure to pop a CD for it" is much faster and far more helpful.


If you or OP were talking about Extremes, Savages, or Ultimates, you would have a point. People should go into that content with at least a little bit of preparation - even if they're joining learning groups. But dungeons? Normal Trials? Normal mode raids? 24-mans? These can be explained fairly quickly and even on the fly if necessary, with very few exceptions (and even those exceptions can be cleared if the newbies listen). Sure, they may screw up, but they probably would have done so even if they'd watched a guide beforehand.

If you get a player that won't listen, well, they aren't worth the effort and it's unlikely that they would have looked up a guide, anyways.

[Veis_Alveare]

If it's not Extremes, Savage, or Ultimate, you don't need to watch a guide, though. It takes next to no time for someone to point out the few mechanics that one would need to look out for in a dungeon boss if someone asks for it. The fact that someone asked should be enough to get someone to help, since most people don't.

I have stopped doing 24mans on anything but a healer because of this very mentality.

The truth is some people are skilled enough to pick up mechanics in casual content on the fly but that doesn't mean everyone is. It's safer to suggest to everyone that they should spend a few minutes watching a guide than it is to have faith they're going to be able to keep up otherwise.

As a ps4 player I literally purchased a keyboard just to be able to explain things to people in chat specifically because I was tired of people not knowing what they were doing and wiping groups needlessly. Relying on other players to be able to explain mechanics isn't a perfect system, requesting people taking a few minutes to skim a text guide before entering new content isn't asking too much.

[Vahlnir]

thats fine, my problem is them asking for mechanics when they didnt bother to look for them first

Fair enough. In my experience though vids or guides only go so far in teaching people. Most people learn more and better by doing...but knowing how some things work beforehand helps when practicing or trying to clear, which is where guides and such come in handy. But people can read and/or watch all they want about certain mechanics...performing those mechanics correctly, however, comes by doing them, not watching or reading about them.