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[Anzaman]

One of those being "We would've given them headgear, but it was too much work so we didn't plan on doing anything"; and it was only by the grace of Yoshi's staff NOT LISTENING to him that got us the least work intensive headgear that the game has to offer.

Honestly I find this sort of attitude quite annoying. We were told previous things since it was the most likely outcome with paid, working hours.

The fact that we have bunch of headgear now available for two new races is because those workers decided to use their own, free time, on top of working hours.

Or would you want your boss to expect you to work for free every evening, on top of your normal 8 to 16 -hours? Potentially skipping all work breaks during the day while at it?

[Iscah]

No, that's not a more accurate analogy. It would be if i was talking about the male/female absence, but i'm not. I am speaking of a feature that EVERY OTHER RACE has, and that is the ability of to wear and display headgear. So yes, the "we shoved a wooden block to replace a missing leg" is an apt analogy for a race missing the feature to display any headgear but glasses (which as i said, is only there because Yoshi's staff didn't listen to him).

That's not the right analogy. A chair missing a leg is equivalent to the character model itself being incomplete - missing parts of their actual body.

It's more like if the shop normally sold wooden chairs with matching seat cushions (bought separately), but this design is an unusual shape and they haven't made cushions to fit them yet. So they say "here's our new design - it's not compatible with our cushions, but we're working on making ones that fit". You can buy the chair now if you like it and don't mind that an optional extra piece can't be added to it.

[Vanitas]

All the work they put into keeping this game afloat as smooth as butter, the work they do to keep content coming in a reasonable and exciting fashion, and go the extra mile to implement something they weren't even sure was even going to make it in on time and still people complain. Still people are entitled. Still people are spoiled and ungrateful.

They actually care unlike other mmos that couldn't give a flying foxtrot about you or anyone else's wortheless agenda, but these people TRY to take everyone into consideration. And you asked if we could think of another service that what essentially effs you over royally with broken promises I think I can name a few. How about Anthem? How about Fallout 76? Mass effect andromeda? Bless Online anyone? That's just a few. Now go try those heaps of garbage and come back and tell me if this shamelessly passive agressive post warrants any merit because it doesn't.
If you dont like that this game doesn't pamper your every whim and fancy maybe just leave? Because clearly if people are so upset that a gender for a race with which assest don't even exist for and would take a tremendous amount of time and money to make is enough to make them spew nonsense like sexism and other horrible things, then maybe they were never really here to play the game to begin with.

[frostmagemari]

Ah yes.. hit us with that slippery slope fallacy.

How is it a fallacy? What is your end point? In the post i quoted, they already mentioned things that fell off the game because it was easier not to put those things in than dealing with putting them in. So where is your end point and you let people criticize the game and their decisions?

Honestly I find this sort of attitude quite annoying. We were told previous things since it was the most likely outcome with paid, working hours.
The fact that we have bunch of headgear now available for two new races is because those workers decided to use their own, free time, on top of working hours.

Or would you want your boss to expect you to work for free every evening, on top of your normal 8 to 16 -hours? Potentially skipping all work breaks during the day while at it?

No, i would expect my boss to ensure we have adequate staffing in the departments that need them as the company is able to provide the services and products we promise, rather than make excuses to why you won't deliver baseline features that have been part of every other player race. (such as visible headgear).

That's not the right analogy. A chair missing a leg is equivalent to the character model itself being incomplete - missing parts of their actual body.

It's more like if the shop normally sold wooden chairs with matching seat cushions (bought separately), but this design is an unusual shape and they haven't made cushions to fit them yet. So they say "here's our new design - it's not compatible with our cushions, but we're working on making ones that fit". You can buy the chair now if you like it and don't mind that an optional extra piece can't be added to it.

The ability to display headgear isn't an optional feature within the other races. It is part of the core gear display capability of all other player races. So no, this is not a "this couch doesn't have cushions", it is comparable to a piece missing because it is part of the capabilities of every other player race.

All the work they put into keeping this game afloat as smooth as butter, the work they do to keep content coming in a reasonable and exciting fashion, and go the extra mile to implement something they weren't even sure was even going to make it in on time and still people complain. Still people are entitled. Still people are spoiled and ungrateful.

They actually care unlike other mmos that couldn't give a flying foxtrot about you or anyone else's wortheless agenda, but these people TRY to take everyone into consideration. And you asked if we could think of another service that what essentially effs you over royally with broken promises I think I can name a few. How about Anthem? How about Fallout 76? Mass effect andromeda? Bless Online anyone? That's just a few. Now go try those heaps of garbage and come back and tell me if this shamelessly passive agressive post warrants any merit because it doesn't.
If you dont like that this game doesn't pamper your every whim amd fancy maybe just leave? Because clearly if people are so upset that a gender for a race with which assest don't even exist for and would take a tremendous amount of time and money to make is enough to make them spew nonsense like sexism and other horrible things, then maybe they were never really here to play the game to begin with.

I'm so glad you actually read my issue and aren't just flying into a rage not knowing what i actually said. Yup.. so glad.

[Miles064]

All the work they put into keeping this game afloat as smooth as butter, the work they do to keep content coming in a reasonable and exciting fashion, and go the extra mile to implement something they weren't even sure was even going to make it in on time and still people complain. Still people are entitled. Still people are spoiled and ungrateful.

They actually care unlike other mmos that couldn't give a flying foxtrot about you or anyone else's wortheless agenda, but these people TRY to take everyone into consideration. And you asked if we could think of another service that what essentially effs you over royally with broken promises I think I can name a few. How about Anthem? How about Fallout 76? Mass effect andromeda? Bless Online anyone? That's just a few. Now go try those heaps of garbage and come back and tell me if this shamelessly passive agressive post warrants any merit because it doesn't.
If you dont like that this game doesn't pamper your every whim amd fancy maybe just leave? Because clearly if people are so upset that a gender for a race with which assest don't even exist for and would take a tremendous amount of time and money to make is enough to make them spew nonsense like sexism and other horrible things, then maybe they were never really here to play the game to begin with.

How many of the people that want male Viera are claiming sexism? Most seem to be wanting something and asking the devs for that something with very few pulling the sexist/homophobic card. What about all the other things that players asked for that got added? If those worked why wouldn't people try for this at the very least? Was it pampering to their ever whim when males got the bunny suit? Entitled? Sure some are being really sour about this but not all of them at all. Ungrateful? Again, some are but not all. Clearly it's something people care about in game or all these threads wouldn't show up every time new info comes out.

[Vanitas]

I'm so glad you actually read my issue and aren't just flying into a rage not knowing what i actually said. Yup.. so glad.

You'll have to forgive me for losing my cool with "whine about no bunny boi" thread number 8,945 /shrug

[frostmagemari]

You'll have to forgive me for losing my cool with "whine about no bunny boi" thread numver 8,945 /shrug

Sure, sure.. except i never said that. In fact, as i told another poster....

Okay. I will tell you one. more. time. I. do. not. care. about. the. gender. lock. That. is. not. what. i'm. talking. about.

But.. why would we READ something on a forum?

[Hash_Browns]

Sure, sure.. except i never said that. In fact, as i told another poster....

But.. why would we READ something on a forum?

You should probably edit your post then, because it gives no mention to the headgear, and simply looks like a gendered race rant.

After reading the letter from the producer, i would like people who have asked for Viera (and possibly Hrothgar) to humor me on something.
Could you think of another service or item you would purchase if the store or salesman told you "It's not actually finished, because that would've been too hard; but we worked on our own time to get something done." and still insisted on charging you full price for the item? Would your own employer let you get away with that? Would you let your own employees get away with that?

Is this enough to make me consider hanging the game up? Probably not; i was never interested in the two races to begin with, but i can see that this kind of practice won't serve the game well in the long term. I'll have to see if this mindset bleeds into future parts of the game; i hope it doesn't.

At this point, I'm rating this bait 10/10.

[PharisHanasaki]

After reading the letter from the producer, i would like people who have asked for Viera (and possibly Hrothgar) to humor me on something.
Could you think of another service or item you would purchase if the store or salesman told you "It's not actually finished, because that would've been too hard; but we worked on our own time to get something done." and still insisted on charging you full price for the item? Would your own employer let you get away with that? Would you let your own employees get away with that?

Is this enough to make me consider hanging the game up? Probably not; i was never interested in the two races to begin with, but i can see that this kind of practice won't serve the game well in the long term. I'll have to see if this mindset bleeds into future parts of the game; i hope it doesn't.

This analogy would work if either Viera or Hrothgar were missing animations, or if they were wearing just gear specially crafted for either race. But they work with all available gear, got their own emotes, 2 legs, 2 arms, a head, a torso, now we even get some accesories.

Just because it's missing either gender, it does not mean either is unfinished.

[frostmagemari]

You should probably edit your post then, because it gives no mention to the headgear, and simply looks like a gendered race rant.

At this point, I'm rating this bait 10/10.

You're right. That was a fault on my part and i'll make a note of that.
Thank you.
I've added that note to the initial post.