Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[niteypants]

After reading Yoship's letter, it's clear to me that we have a greater-than-zero chance of seeing Male Viera, which is sorta OK news, but we have to strongly temper that with the idea that they are probably still resistant to doing it for the following reason: they are keeping to a rigid 3.5 month update schedule and they don't see a realistic way of expanding beyond fourteen models. That's very bad news, because that means there are reasons beyond Yoship's control, reasons beyond money and manpower even, that account for us not seeing Male Viera.

But that doesn't mean we can't keep letting them know they've made a mistake. It was their bad decision to use the last 2 slots implementing 2 incomplete races instead of a complete Viera. It was a bad decision that is probably going to lose them a decent amount of money. Right now is still the best time for them to decide to implement both genders -- the longer they wait, the worse the wearable bloat becomes. Even if they commit to planning now, it will save a lot of heartache when development begins.

Things that are outside of Yoship's control are still very well within the powers of his bosses. The problems that they are facing aren't insurmountable. Just as a for instance, if 14 slots = 3.5 months of development time, I would very happily wait 4 months between updates so that both male Viera and female Hrothgar could be added. If they're worried about posting good numbers every quarter (a ridiculous yardstick in modern gaming, if true), they can still make big mogstation releases that don't have as high an impact on individual models (mounts for instance sell very well even when they clipping issues) while lengthening the development cycle.

So keep the pressure on.

[Senn]

if 14 slots = 3.5 months of development time, I would very happily wait 4 months between updates so that both male Viera and female Hrothgar could be added.

Same. I don't mind a temporary dip in updates and patches so we can get male viera and female hrothgar added. It would be worth it to me in the long run.

Keep up the support, guys. We're in it for the long haul. Also, if you guys would be ok with patches/updates coming out slower in order for the dev team to implement male viera and female hrothgar into the game, post that here. Let SE know that content coming out slower would not bother you if that meant male viera and female hrothgar get added to the game. This dip in content would only be temporary. It would probably go back to its regular pace once male viera and female hrothgar were added.

[Gwenorai]

Same. I don't mind a temporary dip in updates and patches so we can get male viera and female hrothgar added. It would be worth it to me in the long run.

Keep up the support, guys. We're in it for the long haul. Also, if you guys would be ok with patches/updates coming out slower in order for the dev team to implement male viera and female hrothgar into the game, post that here. Let SE know that content coming out slower would not bother you if that meant male viera and female hrothgar get added to the game. This dip in content would only be temporary. It would probably go back to its regular pace once male viera and female hrothgar were added.

I'd support this even if it wasn't regarding the missing genders. I think they're desperately rushing and this will have consequences in the long run. They should either be given more staff, more resources or more time - or all of the previous if it results in a healthier game.

Perhaps the original post should be updated now that it has been confirmed that childlike Viera will not be added to the game as a playable option? I imagine it will be helpful for latecomers to the thread.

I support this as well, and I don't understand the reasoning for not changing the post. There was another image that had a slim/elegant/handsome male there instead of the child Viera that was paired with the female. We have official confirmation they will not be adding a childlike Viera. It seems silly to have it there when its impossible to have. - Edit; Senn explained why and this is the image that I liked paired with the female Viera, edited by Senn.

[Senn]

I'd support this even if it wasn't regarding the missing genders. I think they're desperately rushing and this will have consequences in the long run. They should either be given more staff, more resources or more time - or all of the previous if it results in a healthier game.

Yoshida did mention that more staff or money wouldn't necessarily help. It was a bugging and QA problem...? Not sure what QA is. His concern was that if they were to add male viera and female hrothgar into the game, it would slow down content or something - which I would not mind if it meant we got male viera.

[Gwenorai]

Yoshida did mention that more staff or money wouldn't necessarily help. It was a bugging and QA problem...? Not sure what QA is. His concern was that if they were to add male viera and female hrothgar into the game, it would slow down content or something - which I would not mind if it meant we got male viera.

This is why I said I'd support it even if it wasn't Viera/Hrothgar linked ^^
They're spread rather thin and a longer cycle would be more beneficial for every single feature/update they release.

QA is Quality Assurance~

[Senn]

This is why I said I'd support it even if it wasn't Viera/Hrothgar linked ^^
They're spread rather thin and a longer cycle would be more beneficial for every single feature/update they release.

QA is Quality Assurance~

You know, I always felt that whenever I got the newest gear, something else would come out to replace it rather fast. I never really got enough time to bask in my glory. So I don't think it would hurt to slow content down a little so it doesn't feel like a gear treadmill. I mean, it still is, but we get to enjoy what we've earned for a little longer. If slower content meant I would get to play as a male viera, I really would not mind.

[Veis_Alveare]

You know, I always felt that whenever I got the newest gear, something else would come out to replace it rather fast. I never really got enough time to bask in my glory. So I don't think it would hurt to slow content down a little so it doesn't feel like a gear treadmill. I mean, it still is, but we get to enjoy what we've earned for a little longer. If slower content meant I would get to play as a male viera, I really would not mind.

I'm very opposed to this. Slowing down an already slow content cycle would spell death for this game. As it is many people unsub between even patches because there isn't enough to do.

[jake200135]

Senn explained why and this is the image that I liked paired with the female Viera, edited by Senn.

I actually really liked this idea the most in regards to male Viera body type. Not too bulky, and not too frail. The perfect body type for a sneaky assassin of the forest. Just so long as they don't end up with weird posture and animations like male Miqotes unfortunately got stuck with.

[Senn]

I actually really liked this idea the most in regards to male Viera body type. Not too bulky, and not too frail. The perfect body type for a sneaky assassin of the forest. Just so long as they don't end up with weird posture and animations like male Miqotes unfortunately got stuck with.

If added, I think male viera would have a somewhat elegant posture. Or maybe elegant/cool. Viera tend to give off that vibe. They don't necessarily come offf haughty like elezen.

[Alleo]

Same. I don't mind a temporary dip in updates and patches so we can get male viera and female hrothgar added. It would be worth it to me in the long run.

Keep up the support, guys. We're in it for the long haul. Also, if you guys would be ok with patches/updates coming out slower in order for the dev team to implement male viera and female hrothgar into the game, post that here. Let SE know that content coming out slower would not bother you if that meant male viera and female hrothgar get added to the game. This dip in content would only be temporary. It would probably go back to its regular pace once male viera and female hrothgar were added.

I really do get the feeling that a slightly longer patch cycle (and not only short time but constantly) would benefit the game more. Gives the devs a bit more time to breath and think and if we get good content for each one then we should normally be busy for a time and for the rest we can still take a break (their decision with the genderlocks for example will change my sub plans: Instead of trying to always sub like I did for years I will do the lowest amount and then take around a month of a break). I can understand that you might want to work on stuff even in your free time if your are passionate about it, but there should be times where people should so something else next to work or you will burn out sometimes in the future. And maybe this is were its going right now. Maybe not even a health burn out but just a creative one.

And with this tight patch cycle they are "forced" to stick to stuff that can be recycled into "new" content. Eureka as another slightly changed Diadem. HoH as a slightly different PotD, treasure maps that are often just the same just with different background. Its a bad circle. They need to produce something in those months (which might also mean that they might ignore some feedback on it) while its still often not enough to keep a lot of people busy because its often either something that can be done in a few hours or is for niche playerbases.

Why not? There is still no guarantee that Viera men are going to be added, so this thread is going to be around for quite some time. It makes sense, then, to ensure that the original post is not misleading and cluttered.

Why is the original post misleading? Because of that one (official!) artwork that shows a child Viera? Which is only there to show how they could look like as children. Otherwise most of the people in this thread want adult or young adult people. Only a really really small amount have posted a handful of pictures with truly young looking characters, others just wished to either have more feminine ones or a body similiar to Alphinaud, which says nothing about the age because a man in our world could also look like that. Most people here argued more about slim or not slim, how muscled they should be and most fanarts are clearly adults. So why change anything?