Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Melichoir]

I am...slightly disappointed again?

My take on what Yoshi was saying was "We have no plans of doing this, but that doesnt mean it wont happen in the far flung future."

Considering the limitations theyre referencing, the likely hood of it happening appears to be nil unless they outsource (which they likely wont due to costs/security). I know its a debbie downer position, but if they were serious about addressing the off sexes, they would say something more akin to "We are looking at avenues t oaddress that in the future." All we get currently is "Hey, maybe youll see them in an NPC capacity someday." This doesnt strike me as theyll add it.

[Lauront]

I am...slightly disappointed again?

My take on what Yoshi was saying was "We have no plans of doing this, but that doesnt mean it wont happen in the far flung future."

Considering the limitations theyre referencing, the likely hood of it happening appears to be nil unless they outsource (which they likely wont due to costs/security). I know its a debbie downer position, but if they were serious about addressing the off sexes, they would say something more akin to "We are looking at avenues t oaddress that in the future." All we get currently is "Hey, maybe youll see them in an NPC capacity someday." This doesnt strike me as theyll add it.

True - when speaking of enhanced character customisation or asset conversion, they speak in those bolded terms. This is more tentative. All we can really do though is keep voicing our demand for them and hope they have an actual intention of adding them eventually. As things stand, whilst I'm pleased for those who will enjoy the new races, neither addition appeals to me, so I shan't be playing either.. and if they're not going to do much to improve existing race customisation and the graphics engine for 6.0 either, it will ultimately dampen my enthusiasm for the game.

[Melichoir]

True - when speaking of enhanced character customisation or asset conversion, they speak in those bolded terms. This is more tentative. All we can really do though is keep voicing our demand for them and hope they have an actual intention of adding them eventually. As things stand, whilst I'm pleased for those who will enjoy the new races, neither addition appeals to me, so I shan't be playing either.. and if they're not going to do much to improve existing race customisation and the graphics engine for 6.0 either, it will ultimately dampen my enthusiasm for the game.

Maybe at this time its better to petition SE to upgrade the character customization. That might yeild better results. But it's worth noting in that regards, itll probably be strictly facial and hair, as body shapes and changes would run into the same issues as the off sexes. Im not going to hold my breath, but maybe we'll get lucky come 7.0 and see the off sexes or a more robust character creation engine.

[Fei-yen]

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Trolling what? Yoshi P said months ago during FFest Viera male won't happen, they also said why, they said it again in the last live letter and explained in more details why, you keep saying the other way around. Who's trolling who?

[Alleo]

I am...slightly disappointed again?

My take on what Yoshi was saying was "We have no plans of doing this, but that doesnt mean it wont happen in the far flung future."

Considering the limitations theyre referencing, the likely hood of it happening appears to be nil unless they outsource (which they likely wont due to costs/security). I know its a debbie downer position, but if they were serious about addressing the off sexes, they would say something more akin to "We are looking at avenues t oaddress that in the future." All we get currently is "Hey, maybe youll see them in an NPC capacity someday." This doesnt strike me as theyll add it.

It honestly sounded more like a "well we dont plan to" which might only change if enough people stay on this for a long time. (Kinda like the bunny costume) Maybe I am alone on this but if we dont ever get them, then I hope that we will also never see them as NPCs..that would just make it even worse.

In the end I am still just baffled by their decision to make two different half races instead of just one complete race. And later on if time/budget and other stuff is looking better and they suddenly do introduce another new race then people would be happy about that. Now at least as someone that wanted to have a beastial race but that plays their rl gender, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth...another example in the game where the chosen females are beautiful waifus while the males get to play the beastial ones.

Exactly!

I feel the devs spread themselves far to thinly in an attempt to make FF14 be a game that appeals to everybody and appeases all demographics equally....This in theory is commendable. But in reality just means the game never really excels in any area, becoming a jack of all trades, master of none.

If that's the case why have the Viera lost most of their racial traits apart from the ears?! Same for the Hrothgar (Ronso) who have lost most of their beastial traits and reduced to nothing more than a Roe with a cat face....sure marketing and PR can carry the dead weight...but them basic cookie cutter body models do not lie....parts of Yoshi's statement however are questionable....

However I must stress I DO NOT think the devs are lazy by any means....they work incredibly hard!

However I personally feel they are making life harder for themselves by insisting on sticking to this patch release schedule.....a patch every 3 months is just unrealistic and seldom seen as a common thing for other games for good reason!

I fully agree with your post. I dont think its good to try to want so many different people to play this game, especially since all of these need content to stay. Its why I dont understand why they are trying to make the PVP into something like e-sports..this is just simply not the game for it.

I am fine with them trying out new stuff to see what works, but then the question remains on why they do it that deeply? Why for example try out Eureka with four new islands? Why not try it with one or two? Already start it with the new systems and really look at the feedback. (And why are you already planning for more Eureka in the next expansion if the opinion about it is so heavly split?) Also sometimes it really starts to feel like they dont know how to create something very different from Diadem or something which is enjoyable on its own without needing relic weapons and other rewards to even motivate people to stick with it for a bit.

I also dont think that they are lazy (as in not working or something) but I do get the feeling that they might need more people with new ideas or a fresh creative view on it. Maybe with something that takes some time to finish (without it being a near impossible boring grind like some of the achievements..). If you have something that takes longer to complete and is fun for the majority you also wont need new content every three months..or at least you could just introduce these patches with story only and some small glamour updates.

And I also agree with your view on the new races. If they are the last one and should add variety why not go further out? Give Vieras more rabbit traits like their feets and a tail. And if that means that we cant wear headpieces..well I am quite sure that a lot of people would be fine with that.

[SoloWingMetatron]

I fully agree with your post. I dont think its good to try to want so many different people to play this game, especially since all of these need content to stay. Its why I dont understand why they are trying to make the PVP into something like e-sports..this is just simply not the game for it.

I am fine with them trying out new stuff to see what works, but then the question remains on why they do it that deeply? Why for example try out Eureka with four new islands? Why not try it with one or two? Already start it with the new systems and really look at the feedback. (And why are you already planning for more Eureka in the next expansion if the opinion about it is so heavly split?) Also sometimes it really starts to feel like they dont know how to create something very different from Diadem or something which is enjoyable on its own without needing relic weapons and other rewards to even motivate people to stick with it for a bit.

I also dont think that they are lazy (as in not working or something) but I do get the feeling that they might need more people with new ideas or a fresh creative view on it. Maybe with something that takes some time to finish (without it being a near impossible boring grind like some of the achievements..). If you have something that takes longer to complete and is fun for the majority you also wont need new content every three months..or at least you could just introduce these patches with story only and some small glamour updates.

And I also agree with your view on the new races. If they are the last one and should add variety why not go further out? Give Vieras more rabbit traits like their feets and a tail. And if that means that we cant wear headpieces..well I am quite sure that a lot of people would be fine with that.

I'm with you on all these points!

These days it feels like instead of providing content that offers real depth and enjoyment, they just throw the relic or some other desirable item behind a grind wall to make us play the content...I mean fair play to them, it works....I was stupid enough go complete all of Eureka for my SMN relic....however this was because I think it's one of the best SMN weapon designs to date.

After spending all that time in Eureka it just boiled down to a fate train with extra fluff to make it seem fleshed out but in reality provided no new or useful element. The Logos Actions are a perfect example of this. They spent a lot of time showcasing this mechanic and all the different abilities you could unlock and use....however there was not one time in Eureka where I needed to use them in order to progress....the only reason to collect them is so you can unlock enough actions to take your weapon to it's final stage....but yet again it becomes a case of a desirable item being locked behind a grind wall mechanic that doesn't actually serve it's intended purpose....

In Yoshi's statement he tells us that he foresees difficulty keeping up with patch releases and therefore has to cut certain content from being implemented, which in this case are the other genders....okay fine, but if the content schedule is that tight, why waste development resources on a mechanic like Logo Actions, which in themselves are not needed to progress (kill mobs, NM's, level up, or farm crystals) and therefore will seldom be used by the majority of the playerbase....Yet they choose to cut two genders from two playable races....which is content that is guaranteed to always be used and enjoyed by various players for the entire lifetime of this game...that is surely a much better use of development resources compared to content that will most definitely be forgotten next expansion...

I agree I don't think the devs are lazy, they have worked in the industry for years so they obviously understand how the pipeline works....however so do I and something just doesn't make sense with Yoshi's statement...to the point where I suspect it's actually the higher ups in SE management that are to blame for this foolishness...I suspect it is them who are forcing the dev team to stick to this stupid 3.5 month patch release schedule and that's why Yoshi refuses to increase future patch development time.

Demanding unrealistic release windows is extremely common in the games industry right now and it's become a real plague, with the management of these big corporations such as EA forcing unpaid overtime and unrealistic work hours in order to meet an unrealistic release date.....the end result often being a broken, poor excuse of a game (Fallout 76, Anthem and so on) I would not be surprised if SE management is guilty of the same mistreatment and causing the dev team to cut corners with patches....but that's just my speculation based on current AAA development/management trends.