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    The way I see it, even though SMN has Physick as a holdover from ACN, Arcanist isn't a healer either; they could just as easily have made Physick exclusive to SCH or had it replaced with another skill for SMN.

    So why does ACN have Physick? My guess is for self-sustain, the ability to survive and reduce downtime in the overworld or when soloing, much like why all casters have Drain.

    Now, I agree that Vercure is meant to be a large part of RDM utility, especially as SMN has a number of group buffs to improve damage. So, allow me to offer a compromise:
    • SMN gains a trait that either replaces Physick or allows it to scale with INT, but limits its use to the summoner or their pet (or weakens it on other targets, ie reverse Clemency).
    • Vercure gains a trait that either allows it to do splash-healing (a la Cure III) or buffs the target to increase their healing received by a percentage.
    • Drain has its healing buffed, is made exclusive to BLM and replaced with a new role action.
    That way RDM keeps its utility, Physick isn't completely worthless on the bar, and everyone gets a sustain tool.
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  2. #32
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    Arcanist has Physick because if it didn't you'd have Scholars running through sub-30 dungeons without healing spells.

    I've seen some stuff floating around about them finally reworking the SMN/SCH split, which is hopefully true. With any luck we'll get a somewhat significant reshuffle with the healer rework and the two jobs will be properly split to avoid leftover skills like this.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metsonm View Post
    Arcanist has Physick because if it didn't you'd have Scholars running through sub-30 dungeons without healing spells.
    Not entirely true, as their fairy has the ability starting from level 1 (and is more than sufficient for low-level content) and retains its form even when downsynched as long as you hold the soul crystal.

    What I meant is that while somewhat unprecedented for class evolutions, the devs could have made Physick a level 1-4 ability that is only available while wearing a SCH soul crystal. All the tech is already in place; while many other jobs start at level 30 or 50 (or soon 60), they still have skills marked for low-levels in the event of downsynching like PotD.

    The fact they opted to leave it in the hands of SMN speaks to an interest in SMN using it.
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    I think it's more this was just the easiest way back in ARR and they saw no need to change it.

    While there is an argument to be made that SCH should be taught to use the fairy as an extension of their toolkit instead of just setting them on sic and letting them do their own thing, keeping them 100% at the mercy of Eos in a dungeon run is poor design.

    As I said, this is probably going back to ARR, and it worked well enough to where they saw no need to change it. I still hope they do completely split the two jobs so they can sort them however they like, one way or the other, because having a shared kit has caused problems before and this has been documented.
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    The way I see it, even though SMN has Physick as a holdover from ACN, Arcanist isn't a healer either; they could just as easily have made Physick exclusive to SCH or had it replaced with another skill for SMN.
    Technically Arcanist isn't a healer, but compare it's level 30 pre-job kit with Conjurer and it does look very much like a healer.
    You could literally just change the role (and therefore role actions) and it'd be a perfectly serviceable healing class, even with no other changes.

    Anyway, that aside, physick should work just for the self-sustain aspect. Titan-egi has long since become useless and even when he had his uses he couldn't do anything about incoming raid-wide damage.

    If people are really that against SMN having a working basic heal spell it could be 'upgraded' into Physick II. Slightly higher potency and cost but can only be cast on self.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    SMN gains a trait that either replaces Physick or allows it to scale with INT, but limits its use to the summoner or their pet (or weakens it on other targets, ie reverse Clemency).
    Just for the record, physick doesn't need a trait to scale with INT. All other shared SCH/SMN actions scale with the correct stat, no traiting required.
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    Seems like a non issue to me. It's just a relic of coming from a branching class in my eyes. Still, I'm more of a mind that it should be removed rather than improved. If it's about healing their pets, well, sustain should be able to handle that by design. And what about healing themselves? Well drain is supposed to cover that; if it doesn't, then that's what should be improved.
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    Please delete physick - please please, pretty please.

    We are not scholars. We are dps. Hopefully its removed with a class split between scholar and summoner if it ever happens. If they want to give us survivability, they could add something more flavourful with titan egi giving you a shield. I'd prefer getting more dps options than healing options. But if they're going to give us a survivability option, I'd prefer it not being a heal spell like physick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Technically Arcanist isn't a healer, but compare it's level 30 pre-job kit with Conjurer and it does look very much like a healer.
    You could literally just change the role (and therefore role actions) and it'd be a perfectly serviceable healing class, even with no other changes.
    Literally the only healing-related actions available to Arcanist are Physick and Resurrection. No AoE healing, no regen/barriers, no heal-enhancing traits. Rouse affects only damage until you become a SCH.

    Though I do find it funny that people are out here talking about removing Physick and debranching the job, and not voicing their opinions on what to do about Resurrection, which affects way more of the balance than Physick.

    Now taking bets on how many want SMN to still be able to rez, just not do healer's work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Just for the record, physick doesn't need a trait to scale with INT. All other shared SCH/SMN actions scale with the correct stat, no traiting required.
    The last time I used Physick, my fully-kitted level 65 SMN healed for just over 500 on a health pool of over 22k.
    Physick has a higher potency than Vercure, which can restore nearly half of my capped RDM's health per cast.

    Tell me again that it's scaling off the proper stat, because I guarantee that's not INT.
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  9. #39
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    Change physick on smn to an ogcd heal potency/cd like second wind.

    Smn is the only job that cannot heal/defend itself should things get dicey, blm while doesn't have a heal can manaward which blows smn physick out the water and think that needs to change somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    Literally the only healing-related actions available to Arcanist are Physick and Resurrection. No AoE healing, no regen/barriers, no heal-enhancing traits. Rouse affects only damage until you become a SCH.
    Lets take a look at Conjurer.

    Before level 30 they get Cure, Medica and Raise.

    Given that a role shift of Arcanist would probably put a heal on the carbuncles, I don't think Arcanist is ill equipped to heal those demanding low level dungeons.
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