Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Renthas]

First of all, please look at male roegadyn.
Second of all, maybe they didn't replace them (or at elast is what SE says), but they did show viera first, and for many ppl male viera were replaced by hrotgar.
Not to mention that while there was a demand for beast races, it was no where near as big as the demand for viera, with BOTH genders, and as you can tell by this thread ppl wanted an actual race that was more beast like, not 1 gender of a race that was more beastlike

I can tell you, I'd never play a male Roe (definitely would play a female Roe though, they're pretty cool) but I'm extremely excited to fantasia to male Hrothgar. Were female Hrothgar a thing, I'd most likely play one over male Hrothgar.
Also, they showed female Viera first as Hrothgar were not in a playable/displayable state at that time. They said that Hrothgar were just barely ready on time for Tokyo Fanfest (where they were revealed), meanwhile the Viera model had been ready since 4.5, which they also said was extremely limited at the time they put it out and was barely ready. I understand some people are disappointed by how they went about it w/ the female Viera reveal and telling people to wait until the next Fanfest, but you can't replace what was never promised in the first place.

[reivaxe]

First of all, please look at male roegadyn.

Maybe it's cause I play a max slider Femroe but I actually DO pay attention to what other big people look like. Roebros are walking meat walls/ rectangles with arms that are too long and legs that are too short. Like soft gorilla-ish people. Not exactly the most appealing big race shape you can ask for.

Because of this it's easy for gear to not look great on them.
Hrothgar have inverted triangle shape going on. They have normalized human proportions so that they have more of the hero buff guy shape. Like Yoshi pointed out I do expect gear to look much better on them.
Also ... Roebros aren't that far behind Elezen males. Elezen male's tall skinny guy body shape was far more popular with the newest race to attempt that not only for the better quality but because it added something too (beastly Dragon parts). Stands to reason that a better looking big race would result in better numbers. Case in point, me. I'd never play a Roebro, I think that they're wide AF. I'm all about that Hrothgar though. My Femroe already looks like more of an action hero in the amazing Eureka tank set because femroe have normalized proportions.

Second of all, maybe they didn't replace them (or at elast is what SE says), but they did show viera first, and for many ppl male viera were replaced by hrotgar.
Not to mention that while there was a demand for beast races, it was no where near as big as the demand for viera, with BOTH genders, and as you can tell by this thread ppl wanted an actual race that was more beast like, not 1 gender of a race that was more beastlike

Soooo you don't trust what SE said? KK, not sure what you want me to say. You wont believe anything that's not plucked from your bias.
Viera Males were shown as concept from back when Viera got beat out by the Scaley folk. That's a looong time ago and by the very nature of being concept art it was just ideas.
You also assume the people who wanted Viera (a race that's only ever been shown to be females in the games) cared about seeing males.
And lastly you seem to not be aware of how much Beastly race was asked for. I remember. I was firmly in the pro-Viera threads and we had constant fights with people coming in saying "Gah! Another human with animal ears?!? Why waste time on that? They should make a beast like race!". Many people made threads about it. Most of us used the excuse that SE would be too lay to do that. The want for it was on par with Viera from what i remember, most just thought it was a pipe dream.

[SturmChurro]

I don't want it to be elegant. We have elegant. We have pretty. We have cute. What we don't have is something actually bestial. And femininity is not about physical appearance. It's about attitude, how you choose to carry yourself, and the mannerisms you affect. They made the Hrothgar males big, beefy, and bulky because it was the least common model they already had. And there is zero chance they aren't going to reuse models when the amount of works is in the tens of thousands of gear pieces to put on them.

A female that is thicker, and more muscular than a fem!Roe is in no way more or less feminine than a fem!Roe, or a female Miqo'te, or a male Hyur, realistically. Because we impose the femininity on our character. Just like we impose whatever else we want on them. The most likely result is still a fem!Roe body model because they are already using the Roe for the Hrothgar and if they give us Hrothgal, and they didn't make a model first before deciding to genderlock, trying to capitulate to us is going to require as many shortcuts as possible. We'd likely see the same body, possibly minutely % changed where the gear can all have the same done to it, and the real differences would be in the skin textures and muscle definition sliders.

Yes, could they use an Elezen body instead? Sure. They could use a lala body and mess with the sexual dimorphism to the point our eyes would roll out of our heads. But they need to avoid further hissing and gnashing of teeth. And adding yet another "elegant" or "pretty" female to the game when the whole point of the race is supposed to be bestial and different is a slap across one cheek and then a slap across the other. Fem!Roe remodels for a Hrothgal are expected as it covered their reasoning of resource management. No one's going to carry on for a year cause they're like fem!Roe. It fits, even if it's boring. A new model, going further to the bestial side than fem!Roes might result in people saying "I don't want to play that" but they have plenty of other elegant/pretty/cute females to play already.

I think you can still be feminine and "beastly" at the same time. I actually think Bless Online's beast race looked pretty decent (someones signature or something somewhere reminded me of them):



I just think a hulk female would look like crap.

Maybe it's cause I play a max slider Femroe but I actually DO pay attention to what other big people look like. Roebros are walking meat walls/ rectangles with arms that are too long and legs that are too short. Like soft gorilla-ish people. Not exactly the most appealing big race shape you can ask for.

Because of this it's easy for gear to not look great on them.
Hrothgar have inverted triangle shape going on. They have normalized human proportions so that they have more of the hero buff guy shape. Like Yoshi pointed out I do expect gear to look much better on them.
Also ... Roebros aren't that far behind Elezen males. Elezen male's tall skinny guy body shape was far more popular with the newest race to attempt that not only for the better quality but because it added something too (beastly Dragon parts). Stands to reason that a better looking big race would result in better numbers. Case in point, me. I'd never play a Roebro, I think that they're wide AF. I'm all about that Hrothgar though. My Femroe already looks like more of an action hero in the amazing Eureka tank set because femroe have normalized proportions.

Agreed. I think the Hrothgar males looks really decent for a big race (buff). Their proportions are decent. Good quality.

[zeylos]

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First of all, look at literally any videogame's beefy huge races and name a single 1 in where they are popular (in WoW worgen, tauren, higmountain tauren and all of the other beast like races only make up for 30% of player population, and the least popular ones are the beefier ones) and in ffxiv I think it's clear that take it as you want male Hrotgar will be almost extinct 1-2 months after the expansion launches. Then the reason why male elezen are so unpopular is because of their giraffe necks and their weird AF animations. Third of all I said that I have my own believes, which I don't think is something you should be aggresive at saying that 'I don't believe anything that's not plucked for my bias'. Then the demand for a beast race was NOT in par with viera. Yes it was big but here you got 2 threads which are clear expamples of that (the beast like race's most likes post is someone saying no)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...w-your-support
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ayable-race%21
You are free to be aggressive towards anybody who dosen't agree with you or with what SE did, but that won't change the way I think.

[SturmChurro]

First of all, look at literally any videogame's beefy huge races and name a single 1 in where they are popular (in WoW worgen, tauren, higmountain tauren and all of the other beast like races only make up for 30% of player population, and the least popular ones are the beefier ones) and in ffxiv I think it's clear that take it as you want male Hrotgar will be almost extinct 1-2 months after the expansion launches. Then the reason why male elezen are so unpopular is because of their giraffe necks and their weird AF animations. Third of all I said that I have my own believes, which I don't think is something you should be aggresive at saying that 'I don't believe anything that's not plucked for my bias'. Then the demand for a beast race was NOT in par with viera. Yes it was big but here you got 2 threads which are clear expamples of that (the beast like race's most likes post is someone saying no)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...w-your-support
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ayable-race%21
You are free to be aggressive towards anybody who dosen't agree with you or with what SE did, but that won't change the way I think.

You are skewing things for your own bias. Viera was probably so highly requested for the female variant for that matter (just watch the trailer - you get the intent), and Hrothgar is a good edition to diversify the racial roster. That's why they added it.

[LaylaTsarra]

I think you can still be feminine and "beastly" at the same time. I actually think Bless Online's beast race looked pretty decent (someones signature or something somewhere reminded me of them):

Those female genders/races look pretty cool. It will be interesting to see what SE comes up with if they decide to make the missing genders. For me the look, run, walk and animations are all important. Personally I wasn't going to be happy about female Viera and male Horthgar until I saw them and the reveal trailers were more that I was hoping for.

[Gula]

Nearly 400 pages of male bunnies but not even 90 for buff cat girls. And people had the gall to call out devs for sexism and base fanservice.

[Halivel]

Nearly 400 pages of male bunnies but not even 90 for buff cat girls. And people had the gall to call out devs for sexism and base fanservice.

I would prefer to compare amount of likes on OP instead of amount of pages in threads tbh. Though even in likes Females thread is behind, but not that much.

[Renthas]

I would prefer to compare amount of likes on OP instead of amount of pages in threads tbh. Though even in likes Females thread is behind, but not that much.

Compare the views too. Viera has 261k views and this has 37k. There's definitely a huge bias towards male Viera.

[Halivel]

Compare the views too. Viera has 261k views and this has 37k. There's definitely a huge bias towards male Viera.

Well that's true. Though the thread itself has so much off-topics and fights that if delete them it can lose about 100 pages at least.

I am up for female Hroths, really, though can't say for others from male Viera thread. I typically don't play female characters, but if I ever would it would be female Highlander (wanted to create one when bought the game tbh but noticed male Miqo) or Roe because they are cool. And it's quite ironically that all my favorite options (female Highlander/Roe + male Miqo'te) did not exist in 1.0 and were released because of playerbase asking so I see no reason for not support this thread for myself. And if there ever will be an implementing for missing genders I most likely will end up at creating at least an alt for female Hroth.