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    Physic's Avatar
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    Bladed Arms
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    Balmung
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    Monk Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    Casual or hardcore isn't relevant. The party has all the tools and authority they need to decide what they feel is bad, and to replace anyone they feel is an obstruction.

    Anything beyond that fact is merely a possibility, or petty moralizing.
    incorrect. They gave the party the tools to kick people if they have to, that doesnt mean its ok to kick people for any reason.

    Just because its hard to ajudicate kicking doesnt mean its ok to do whatever you want.


    Its clear SE views participating in the duty finder, as an agreement you owe a certain level of tolerance to other players, thats why there is a penalty for abandoning the party. Kicking people for arbitrary reasons goes against the spirit of the random duty finder. They leave the kick functionality in so players have the tools to deal with bad situations. Kicking is not designed to be a means of filtering out sub optimal players. Thats what party finder, and guilds are for.

    if you are not willing to make a serious attempt to work with players of various skill levels, experience and you should not be entering the duty finder.

    the fact that 3 people want to do something wrong, does not make it right.
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    Van Arn
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    Goblin
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    incorrect. They gave the party the tools to kick people if they have to, that doesnt mean its ok to kick people for any reason.

    Just because its hard to ajudicate kicking doesnt mean its ok to do whatever you want.


    Its clear SE views participating in the duty finder, as an agreement you owe a certain level of tolerance to other players, thats why there is a penalty for abandoning the party. Kicking people for arbitrary reasons goes against the spirit of the random duty finder. They leave the kick functionality in so players have the tools to deal with bad situations. Kicking is not designed to be a means of filtering out sub optimal players. Thats what party finder, and guilds are for.

    if you are not willing to make a serious attempt to work with players of various skill levels, experience and you should not be entering the duty finder.

    the fact that 3 people want to do something wrong, does not make it right.
    The fact that the party can kick players for obstruction, where obstruction is very loosely defined, means it really doesn't matter what your opinion on right or wrong is.

    Feel free to kick severe underperformers if you feel they are an obstruction, because the votes determine if they're an obstruction or not.

    The rest is you moralizing, but that doesn't matter.
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    James Oakes
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    Phoenix
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    The fact that the party can kick players for obstruction, where obstruction is very loosely defined, means it really doesn't matter what your opinion on right or wrong is.

    Feel free to kick severe underperformers if you feel they are an obstruction, because the votes determine if they're an obstruction or not.
    Van you really do come off as a bully
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    Van you really do come off as a bully
    what part of not playing with someone you dont wanna play with bullying? even small children understand that not everyone has to play together
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