Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Moshimoshikami]

Stop lying to yourselves... "Bad player" or "Doesn't meet my expectation" is not in the list of the kick interface.

If you start a kick petiton because a tank pulls groups too small for your taste, it means you are lying when filling the kick request and that you are abusing the kick system, which is against TOS.
That kind of behaviour should not be tolerated by GM...

[WaterShield]

Stop lying to yourselves... "Bad player" or "Doesn't meet my expectation" is not in the list of the kick interface.

If you start a kick petiton because a tank pulls groups too small for your taste, it means you are lying when filling the kick request and that you are abusing the kick system, which is against TOS.
That kind of behaviour should not be tolerated by GM...

It's called "difference in playstyle"

Why do you think is it ok for 1 person to be a detriment to the enjoyment of 3 other people?

[Moshimoshikami]

It's called "difference in playstyle"

Why do you think is it ok for 1 person to be a detriment to the enjoyment of 3 other people?

Lol this is not in the list either and is worst...

If you don't want to meet people with different play styles, go play solo games and stop playing MMO.

[WaterShield]

Lol this is not in the list either and is worst...

If you don't want to meet people with different play styles, go play solo games and stop playing MMO.

Ever see this? It came from a GM.

[Moshimoshikami]

Ever see this? It came from a GM.

Ho never saw that. Thanks that's good to know.

But for my concern I will never do that because I feel it's rude and pointless. I hope I am not the only one thinking this way.

[Mavrias]

Stop lying to yourselves... "Bad player" or "Doesn't meet my expectation" is not in the list of the kick interface.

If you start a kick petiton because a tank pulls groups too small for your taste, it means you are lying when filling the kick request and that you are abusing the kick system, which is against TOS.
That kind of behaviour should not be tolerated by GM...

half the things people have listed as "more valid" arent in the kick interface.

tank not tanking at all, healer not healing at all, dps auto attacking, not using cooldowns, wearing ilvl 200 gear in a level 67 dungeon. most people would kick for those reasons but according to you, doing so is against ToS and should be punished.

[Crystal_Raven]

half the things people have listed as "more valid" arent in the kick interface.

tank not tanking at all, healer not healing at all, dps auto attacking, not using cooldowns, wearing ilvl 200 gear in a level 67 dungeon. most people would kick for those reasons but according to you, doing so is against ToS and should be punished.

According to people like Moshimo, players who are good are supposed to carry everyone in the game that's dead weight. God forbid you demand they do their job, or even worse, god forbid you kick them! Everyone knows 1 person is more important than the rest of the raid!

[Veis_Alveare]

According to people like Moshimo, players who are good are supposed to carry everyone in the game that's dead weight. God forbid you demand they do their job, or even worse, god forbid you kick them! Everyone knows 1 person is more important than the rest of the raid!

Honestly? I'm pretty sure that's the plan.

Do you remember Shinryu normal at launch? It was such good proof of this concept. People would disband constantly (or so the OF and Reddit claimed, I didn't see more than 2 myself) and that was because the DF had yet to give them a group of randoms with enough collective skill to clear. You'll also notice the people who were complaining the loudest about all the disbanding were... let's just say "not the best" players.

Point blank that's because skilled people were able to cart more of their groups over the finish line whether that's through good dps/healing/mitigation or a combo of the three. The expectation of the dev team is that the bit of the playerbase that approaches something resembling competence will be enough to carry the rest of these people to victory.

And we still get called tOxIc ElItIsTs all the way through.

[Moshimoshikami]

According to people like Moshimo, players who are good are supposed to carry everyone in the game that's dead weight. God forbid you demand they do their job, or even worse, god forbid you kick them! Everyone knows 1 person is more important than the rest of the raid!

What... raid? Hold your horses, I am talking about casual content here. The content which is dedicated to 100% of the player base.

For raid, players use the party finder and define the rules before entering the instance.

Btw please don't try to write what I think on my behalf.

[Granyala]

If you as a tank refuse to do your job, you will be replaced by someone better.

If the group is lucky.
If not, they will stand there 5 minutes+ and wait or worst case: have to abort the run and requeue. >.<

Personally, I have yet to encounter a tank that doesn't pull like his arse was on fire. Myself included...

Stop lying to yourselves... "Bad player" or "Doesn't meet my expectation" is not in the list of the kick interface.

Uuh whether we like it or not, kicking is a majority decisions and people can kick for whatever reason they deem appropriate.
If the group doesn't like your nose, they can kick you for it if the majority agrees to do so.

In an ideal world, such a kick would never go through but you know as well as I do that many a player merely clicks the yes button w/o thinking.