Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Reylinn]

I'm not in love with kicking anyone for playing bad. Player skill is relative and a group of raiders might kick people for non optimal stances etc. Kicking is for DC, afk, or being a jerk. Otherwise you're griefing and should probably be reported.

[swiss_Momo]

I can only assume you say this because you arent the one that has to set everything up for positionals so you dont get chewed out at the end of the run. The tank will even if they're moving to save thier life because the healer cant keep them up once the tanks CDs are busted and the DPS is STILL taking forever to down the pull. Tanking might have an easier time causing initial aggro but Paladins AoEs dont even add aggro and Flash does no damage. So you do have to do alot more than you think it entails. Depending on the tank.

AoE skills don't have positionals though, so the whole "holding the mobs somewhat still" argument doesn't count until the trash pull is down to the last 3 mobs or so, and at that point you can usually just stun the one casting an AoE

[Violet_Galaxy]

A lot of you people in this thread need a Hall of Novice refresher. Tank does the tanking, DPS does the DPS and Healer focuses on healing while dpsing when they can. Tanks set the pace. Really simple. When you don't follow this you encourage bad behavior and the #1 reason (imho) as to why tanks are always in demand. But y'know, keep on backseat tanking. That'll show em.

[Tlachtga]

you know, its kind of crazy to me, that a lot of people take these basic dungeons seriously enough to want to kick some one over effeciency.

Yall treating the public swimming pool like its an olympic track meet.

The sheer lengths people go to to defend bad, lazy players is just as crazy to me.

This isn't a hard game to be good at.

[Dyvid]

The sheer lengths people go to to defend bad, lazy players is just as crazy to me.

This isn't a hard game to be good at.

Still, I love the comment lol

[Feidam]

The sheer lengths people go to to defend bad, lazy players is just as crazy to me.

This isn't a hard game to be good at.

I don’t think people are truly defending poorly skilled players that refuse to learn. I believe they are defending those that are deemed “bad” and treated poorly even though they are trying to learn. It just happens this allows the others to get a small pass too. Also just because the game is easy for some does not mean it is easy for all and just because a player is bad does not make them lazy.

I think people speak up because some of the attitudes that come out regarding lower performing players can be quite nasty, demeaning, and toxic to players at that level regardless of why they might be there. Poor behavior is poor behavior regardless of skill level and should stamped down by the player base. However, it is far more common that people expect a pass for poor behavior “because I can say what I want, freedom of speech, you don’t pay my sub, or they should have grown a thicker skin” or any of the other ridiculous excuses used by players on both sides of the spectrum to display behavior they wouldn’t even attempt if the encounter was outside of a virtual environment.

[Kaedan]

The sheer lengths people go to to defend bad, lazy players is just as crazy to me.

This isn't a hard game to be good at.

People aren't defending "bad, lazy players". The tank that was kicked in the OP was not a "bad, lazy player". That's the point. He was playing the game as intended and preferred to pull single groups rather than mass pull. Which is perfectly acceptable. He wasn't afking, he wasn't losing threat, he wasn't playing "poorly".

The sheer lengths some people go to needlessly and irrationally badmouth other players for no reason...

[Greven]

The sheer lengths people go to to defend bad, lazy players is just as crazy to me.

This isn't a hard game to be good at.

I agree there is this tendency to defend the bad players and I don't like it, but it's not the case. I had to explain to a pair of people how much their bad playing was leeching on the rest of the party time and energies and the only reason was those people willingness to be bad.

This case is 2-3 players forcing another, found randomly in Duty Roulettes dungeon playing a role they didn't want to--wonder why-, in the way they want even if he didn't feel like it. That is the only bad behaviour here. Vote Dismiss abuse justified by the group/lads/bully mentality for petty reasons.

It is probably one of the many reasons tanks are so lacking in these type of contents.

[Granyala]

you know, its kind of crazy to me, that a lot of people take these basic dungeons seriously enough to want to kick some one over effeciency.

*shrug* I only kick people if they prevent the group from progressing, so as you already guessed, barring s/o DCing and not coming back, that never happens in dungeons.

Personally, I treat every content the same, whether it is a savage raid or a story primal.
I try to play my role to the best of my abilities. Sometimes that may be overkill, other times not enough.

People aren't defending "bad, lazy players". The tank that was kicked in the OP was not a "bad, lazy player". That's the point. He was playing the game as intended and preferred to pull single groups rather than mass pull. Which is perfectly acceptable. He wasn't afking, he wasn't losing threat, he wasn't playing "poorly".

If the group is overgeared (we usually are in expert dungeons, even if they are freshly released) and it wasn't his first time (I never mass pull on my first visit either), then yes:

he was playing poorly. No other way to word it.

Ofc it is not a kickable offense to pull single groups in my book. I may be annoyed by it but I don't give people grief over it.

[Tlachtga]

People aren't defending "bad, lazy players".

They do, constantly. I'm not talking specifically in this thread, but in a general sense.

The tank that was kicked in the OP was not a "bad, lazy player". That's the point. He was playing the game as intended and preferred to pull single groups rather than mass pull. Which is perfectly acceptable. He wasn't afking, he wasn't losing threat, he wasn't playing "poorly".

My responses are based on max level dungeons. If one chooses to pull single groups, they are playing poorly. It's just laziness.

It's "perfectly acceptable" to you because you're fine with people willingly playing poorly due to laziness, and forcing others to pick up the slack.

I'm not.

The sheer lengths some people go to needlessly and irrationally badmouth other players for no reason...

Irrational? I don't think so lol

This case is 2-3 players forcing another, found randomly in Duty Roulettes dungeon playing a role they didn't want to--wonder why-, in the way they want even if he didn't feel like it. That is the only bad behaviour here. Vote Dismiss abuse justified by the group/lads/bully mentality for petty reasons.

Sounds like a case of difference in playstyle.

Tank gets removed. Healer + dps now have to wait for a rep.

Both parties lose. A fair outcome.

It is probably one of the many reasons tanks are so lacking in these type of contents.

One of the major reasons people dislike playing tank is that their mistakes and poor play are glaringly obvious.

It's harder to be a super lazy tank, because people start dying.