Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Ibuki-]

Or you can simply adapt to majority wants and not selfishly "me myself and I" would do wonders. Another simple courtesy of communication will go far, too.

[OkibaKey]

Or you can simply adapt to majority wants and not selfishly "me myself and I" would do wonders. Another simple courtesy of communication will go far, too.

This too, I love pulling big but I always check the gear of the healer first and if they have the sprout or they say they're new then slow it is.

But reading comments like; "Oh I just let the tank-dps-healer die lmao cuz i dun't wuanna adapt" is beyond dumb. People are selfish.

[Violet_Galaxy]

Or you can simply adapt to majority wants and not selfishly "me myself and I" would do wonders. Another simple courtesy of communication will go far, too.

The problem with that is, where did any of that come up in the Hall of Novice training that everyone supposedly went through? It specifically implies that tanks establish aggro on trash and bosses, hold the aggro and turn the enemies away from the others aka they dictate the pace. Until there are harsher consequences of DPS/Healers pulling ahead of the tank then, unfortunately, this thread is where we're at. A stand still. Which I HATE seeing because it doesn't solve anything. I didn't think SE needed to spell it out to the community like kindergartners, but alas, this thread dictates that it needs to be.

[Ibuki-]

Am I misunderstanding your post? Does hall of novice need to teach communication? See, my point is very simple:

1. Out of 4 members in the party, 3 wants big pulls. The 4th member should do it and not "k I'm not healing you, k I'm not tanking this, k I'm not gonna aoe"

2. In the event a majority wants big pulls but the healer or tank is new; communicate. "Hey I am new to the game / this class. Can we go at a slower pace please"

3. In the event communication does not work, adapt and learn and not be sour (or salty). The run would be over in 10 minutes instead of raging non stop for the next 10 months.

4. Duty finder is there for easy party access to dungeons. Roulettes is a mix between newbies and long time players of which both should be equally respected and not push expectations on them "oh just because I can do it".

Personally, when I got to stormblood and I've ran all the level 70 dungeons as first time without video references and I can hold my own weight as a healer. Yes I can do it. So? Should I expect every other tanks to do large pulls, too?

Adapt to the majority of party wants. This concept is so simple yet often ignored.

[Violet_Galaxy]

Am I misunderstanding your post? Does hall of novice need to teach communication? See, my point is very simple:

1. Out of 4 members in the party, 3 wants big pulls. The 4th member should do it and not "k I'm not healing you, k I'm not tanking this, k I'm not gonna aoe"

2. In the event a majority wants big pulls but the healer or tank is new; communicate. "Hey I am new to the game / this class. Can we go at a slower pace please"

3. In the event communication does not work, adapt and learn and not be sour (or salty). The run would be over in 10 minutes instead of raging non stop for the next 10 months.

4. Duty finder is there for easy party access to dungeons. Roulettes is a mix between newbies and long time players of which both should be equally respected and not push expectations on them "oh just because I can do it".

Personally, when I got to stormblood and I've ran all the level 70 dungeons as first time without video references and I can hold my own weight as a healer. Yes I can do it. So? Should I expect every other tanks to do large pulls, too?

Adapt to the majority of party wants. This concept is so simple yet often ignored.

That's my point. Hall of Novice DOESN'T say anything about communication. It also doesn't state anything about about 1-4 that you listed. That's why I said this has to be broken down to kindergarten level since there is such a divide. I abide by HoN. Clearly you do not.