Quote Originally Posted by Darkrose View Post
I guess your standard of achievement and fulfilling moment in this game is quite low then. What is so challenging about training every mob on the way and get to the last boss? Do you know that any group can do that? I hardly find that any skillful because everyone is doing the same.

Come back when you have a speedrun achievement for Batraal and tell me you didn't need a group that was above average.
The 15 minute run left little to no room for error.
Even the Ifrit speed run was even easier once everyone in the party had good sync.


And you don't even need to train all the mobs to beat it. You could go in, kill every essential mob in the Darkhold, and still have time to beat Batraal. This is easily 3-4 chests.

It's already easy enough to get a normal win. Why make it easier?

Which goes to my next point.

Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
Players wouldnt be "Under performing" if they clear the dungeon, because clearing it, is WIN. To me Under performing is running through all the content just to kill the boss.
When you're at work, and your boss gives you a deadline, do you turn it in a day later saying "but I finished it so I shouldn't be reprimanded even though it was late." ?

If you really need all that time to go through it because of wiping/etc, I doubt you can kill the boss.
If you're going through for exp killing every mob, you can still make it to Batraal.

(Also, you shouldn't be going there for EXP. There are FAR more viable places to exp.)