Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[LyraKuroneko]

Why do people seem to have such a problem with a guy being 10 cms shorter than the ladies of his race?

Short girl = cute
Short man = weakling
-> society~

[Theodric]

On that note, I'd consider the value to be in the embracing of conventional beauty standards. They did as much for the women, so it's only fair to me that they do as much with the men. They don't necessarily have to be taller than the women - they could easily be of equal height instead. Yet on my end I see little value in them being shorter than the women. We already have multiple playable races that allow for short male characters. We're sorely lacking in playable races that allow for men to be both tall and classically handsome - which is an aesthetic that Viera men would fit like a glove.

[Senn]

We're sorely lacking in playable races that allow for men to be both tall and classically handsome

Untrue.
/10char

[Lauront]

They have fangs. Seekers have slits for pupils. They have very distinct poses (one of the males' /cposes in particular, looking like they're about to pounce), and the males' hands when in the default /cpose look constantly half clenched. All beastly attributes.

And on the other hand, they don't have claws, they don't have whiskers, they don't have an allergy to water, they don't have movable joints, they don't have excess skin that lets them "parachute" from heights. SE is very selective in what it does and does not use from each base species. So there's nothing committing them to adding reverse gender dimorphism simply because rabbits exhibit it - perhaps the most obscure trait the species possesses. Miqo'te borrow on traits that are visibly related to cats, for the most part, but even then, it's down to artistic choice/the rule of cool.

There's no value to the males being taller, though, and keep in mind we're not talking Au Ra levels of height difference.
Why do people seem to have such a problem with a guy being 10 cms shorter than the ladies of his race?

Right, so if there's no inherent value in either gender being taller or shorter, why push it so hard as a trait for the race? Bear in mind I don't hugely care if they cap them at the same height as the females, particularly since the latter appear to have a fondness for high heels. I don't even mind if their slider goes lower than the female one at the minimum end.

Short girl = cute
Short man = weakling
-> society~

Try: biological drivers as to what leads us to find certain more traits desirable in men than women, and vice versa. Not everything is down to "society" and in turn societies are a reflection of the beings making them up.

[Theodric]

Untrue.
/10char

It's true as far as I'm concerned. You're free to disagree if you so wish, though.

[Tabbs]

Right, so if there's no inherent value in either gender being taller or shorter, why push it so hard as a trait for the race? Bear in mind I don't hugely care if they cap them at the same height as the females, particularly since the latter appear to have a fondness for high heels.

He didn't say there was no value in them being shorter, though. Only taller. And honestly, I would agree. There's no value in taller-on-average males because that's how all of the races in the game are right now. I would argue there is value in shorter-on-average men because we're lacking that. There isn't a single race in the game where the max height between two genders of the same race allows the woman to be taller. As you'd put it, the women of these races are having their heights "curtailed".

It's really a non-issue, but most of us are just saying it would be a neat change when you consider the status-quo.

[Theodric]

It's really a non-issue, but most of us are just saying it would be a neat change when you consider the status-quo.

It's not 'most'. It's a handful of like-minded posters who just so happen to be very vocal in regards to their own personal preferences.

[Crushnight]

I'd rather not see Viera men become a lazy copy and paste of Miqo'te. If the only real difference were to be the ears, they might as well not be added at all so that the development time and precious resources can instead be spent adding to the customisation options of the existing playable races.

Which phrases?

Ok you asked

The 1st one gets me atm it feels like a childish thing to say because i read that as "If they don't look close enough to how i want them i'd rather it never be made" or "Its my way or no way". Do i want male Viera to look a certain way of course will i go that was a waste because they aren't nope why because i understand people will like them that way and i would move on to what i would like after.

Now with regards to what actually was said expect them to be very close to females with the face structure i do not see SE doing 4 unique head structures between Viera and Hrothgar i expect 2, 1 or Viera 1 for Hrothgar. So Viera males will have the same base but toned to look more masculine they will most likely have the same ear types as females so sorry to say Theodric i firmly believe male Viera will be the same to female Viera as male Miqo'te are to female Miqo'te. The reason for why i think this is every other gender/race has the same basic types with a few differences both genders of au ra have same horn and tail structures, miqo'te tails are the same for males/females etc so the floopsy ears on the female Viera will also be given to males and wolf like heads for Hrothgar would also be given to the females, SE has been consistent with this type of customization i highly doubt they would change it if they decide to add the genders.

Everyone who cares at all about their character's appearance wants more customization for their characters new races are another form of this to say that this would be wasted resources if not to your standards is just urgh to me.

I'm sorry this is so ranty but i do want to say being selfish isn't bad it shows you have a desire for something that can be turned into passion but sometimes you need to stop and go am i being too selfish, and this is what i ultimately took from the 1st post your desire for yourself is too high that your willing to criticize someone's job for not adhering to you when there are thousands of people they are all trying to listen to, and that is why I see it as childish.

[Tabbs]

It's not 'most'. It's a handful of like-minded posters who just so happen to be very vocal in regards to their own personal preferences.

Apologies for the misunderstanding, but that is not what I said. What I meant was "most of us posting about this change" not "most of the players".

[Lauront]

He didn't say there was no value in them being shorter, though. Only taller. And honestly, I would agree. There's no value in taller-on-average males because that's how all of the races in the game are right now. I would argue there is value in shorter-on-average men because we're lacking that. There isn't a single race in the game where the max height between two genders of the same race allows the woman to be taller. As you'd put it, the women of these races are having their heights "curtailed".

It's really a non-issue, but most of us are just saying it would be a neat change when you consider the status-quo.

It honestly sounds like an ideologically or conceptually motivated change more than anything else. Yes, the women being taller on average than the men is 'different'.

Now, what does this fundamentally add to the race? New body types? New facial features? No, it adds nothing of the sort. Does it alter the female physiology? No, because that's already established. If you want a female "Amazon", roegadames and highlander females already exist, and of course Viera females, if you think they fit that rubric.

It is solely a difference for its own sake and in just one area. "They're smaller because male rabbits are" is a difference inspired by a very obscure feature of rabbits, that won't make them particularly more relatable to the base species in the way the feline like poses of male miqo'te do.

Hrothgar at least feature a difference in that their facial design is radically unlike any present option available. That kind of difference is enough to make an impact on whether a race is played or not, although it's a gamble because it can go both ways and therefore not necessarily a positive, simply because it's a difference. We'll see how it pans out from SE's vantage point.

Why would it not suffice for you to just push their minimum height option below the female one?