Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[BillyKaplan]

There's very little depicting the Viera as 'matriarchal' given that the genders live in complete separation outside of occasionally meeting up to breed. That the men are fending for themselves in complete isolation is more of an argument for them to be fairly rugged, if anything.

To be fair, absolutely none of that has to do with the males' height. And with female bunnies being bigger than the males, there's room for them to be the shorter ones.
Totally not on board with another exaggerated height difference, don't get me wrong, but the males being on average shorter than the females wouldn't really contradict them being rugged or anything about their society.

Here we go again

We need some way to keep this place going until an official statement...

[Theodric]

They don't live in seclusion to one another because the women said so, they live in seclusion because it is the will of the forest - and by all accounts, the men seem to devote more of themselves to serving such a cause than the women who live in luxury by comparison to the isolation of the men.

I think it's dumb that there's such a vast difference in height between Xaela/Raen men and women though as far as I'm concerned two wrongs don't make a right and I've rather not see Viera subjected to the opposite scenario.

[Lauront]

I'm not a fan of a, especially if that's the height difference. We already have au ra for that drastic Male towering over female trope. And he honestly looks like a cross between a Male au ra and a highlander. TL;DR that design while neat on it's own, when paired with what we have, is boring as h*ck.
B would be spot on perfect for me if he was just a smidge shorter than the female. He looks similar to the female in terms of body and personality aesthetics and doesn't reduce the race down to caricatures of masculinity and femininity, while still being obviously masculine. But in terms of height that would be the depiction of the tallest Male vs the shortest female in my preference. I just hope the males would be on average like a head shorter than the females because it's so much more different than every other race we have at the moment and where better to mix it up than with the matriarchal race of rabbit people, since female rabbits are larger than males?

Reverse gender dimorphism adds nothing for me. It's "different" in a way that adds nothing.

Viera are not rabbits, they are humanoids with rabbit ears. Being matriarchal is irrelevant to size differences. Honestly, they're just non-arguments for it.

They don't live in seclusion to one another because the women said so, they live in seclusion because it is the will of the forest - and by all accounts, the men seem to devote more of themselves to serving such a cause than the women who live in luxury by comparison to the isolation of the men.

I think it's dumb that there's such a vast difference in height between Xaela/Raen men and women though as far as I'm concerned two wrongs don't make a right and I've rather not see Viera subjected to the opposite scenario.

It pretty much ruined female Au Ra for me.

[Crushnight]

Hey a girl needs a hobby

We need some way to keep this place going until an official statement...

Oh to be sure its just certain phrases have me rolling my eyes a bit maybe i got too cynical because Pyros been a pain on substats for the past week

[Theodric]

Which phrases?

[MrKimper]

Oh to be sure its just certain phrases have me rolling my eyes a bit maybe i got too cynical because Pyros been a pain on substats for the past week

I'd just ignore the thread honestly, maybe relax with some sekiro. It's what I tend to do.

[Theodric]

It feels pretty great to post in between catching big fish in-game. I've had quite a bit of success this week in that regard, so I'm feeling pretty pumped!

[Roda]

They're just matriarchal in the sense that the women run the villages. Beyond that, it has no further implications as to their biology. These aren't drow elves.

I didnt intend to give the impression that their social order was based on their height difference or vice versa in universe. THEMING wise however I think is what makes it appropriate for the females to have a more demanding presence than their Male counterparts. (Added onto the biological reason being that female rabbits are larger than the males)

Reverse gender dimorphism adds nothing for me. It's "different" in a way that adds nothing.

Viera are not rabbits, they are humanoids with rabbit ears. Being matriarchal is irrelevant to size differences. Honestly, they're just non-arguments for it.

Ok so 1 just because you dont care doesn't mean something is invalid. (Talk about a non-argument! Jeezums!)
2 I mean they are though? I'm pretty sure those are rabbit ears on their head so they're at least borrowing SOMETHING from rabbit biology. How much can we divorce them from their rabbitness before they're no longer viera? What is the critical mass of rabbit?
3 I did not mean to imply that their societal structure dictated their height differences or their height differences dictated their societal structure IN UNIVERSE. (Though there are a few matriarchal species that do follow that dimorphism, see: hyenas a species that has an almost identical society to viera) But THEMING wise it would make sense to design a female of a matriarchal race to have a more commanding presence over their known-for-not-being-immediately-seen male counterparts. It's a very common trope with the matriarchal society concept. That paired with them already being biologically rabbit themed just makes a smaller, more acrobatic male make more sense to me. It's a two-fer! (Three if you actually feel up to the arduous task of understanding why someone might be excited by SE not doing yet another tol MAN smol girl race.)

[Lauront]

The argument is that it's a difference that adds very little to them. Subjective, one might say, but if you're presenting it as a selling point, it falls flat for me.

On 2, yes, if you mean to compare them to rabbits or hares, their evolutionary history is distinctive and unique to them. Just by virtue of having rabbit ears creates no further obligation to introduce the myriad of other rabbit traits out there, much like miqo'te don't have claws or whiskers simply because they're related tangentially to cats. The point being that having rabbit ears commits SE to nothing further than that.

Finally, I can "understand" why someone might be excited for it, but I don't care to see the max height options for males curtailed for that reason. Want them to be the same? Fine, whatever. But I do not want to see their height capped just to be "different" in a way I scarcely care about.

[BillyKaplan]

The argument is that it's a difference that adds very little to them. Subjective, one might say, but if you're presenting it as a selling point, it falls flat for me.

What's the selling point value to the males being taller?

much like miqo'te don't have claws

They have fangs. Seekers have slits for pupils. They have very distinct poses (one of the males' /cposes in particular, looking like they're about to pounce), and the males' hands when in the default /cpose look constantly half clenched. All beastly attributes.

Finally, I can "understand" why someone might be excited for it, but I don't care to see the max height options for males curtailed for that reason.

There's no value to the males being taller, though, and keep in mind we're not talking Au Ra levels of height difference.
Why do people seem to have such a problem with a guy being 10 cms shorter than the ladies of his race?