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    Yana-Chan's Avatar
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    Skylar Chan
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    Never said it was, it doesn’t make it right to put people down though, especially bullying.
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  2. 04-23-2019 06:59 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seong-jin View Post
    It's just gamer entitlement.
    This phrase always makes me laugh. As though I'm not entitled to ask for something in a game I pay money to 1. purchase 2. purchase expansions for 3. play, as it's subscription based. Or take my money elsewhere if I'm dissatisfied with the product.

    Like SE actually care.
    I mean, they're a company.
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  4. 04-23-2019 07:09 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seong-jin View Post
    You not giving SE $13-15 dollars a month isn't going to make a difference in the long scheme of things.
    No, but there isn't only one of me. There never is. I'm not making claims about numbers or majority, but it's hardly going to be just me.

    You're not entitled to ask for something in a game simply because you pay money.
    Uh, that's kind of by definition though. Granted the company is not obligated to respond positively, and I should decide what I do with my time and money in response to it. But the act of asking for something as a paying customer? Yeah...

    I played World of Warcraft for 14 years and the same crap happened there.
    And you'll notice there seems to be an exodus of players away from that game, or so I hear. Something about WoW refugees or what not.

    I'm not trying to be rude
    (X) Doubt

    small minority
    Citation required.
    Also, just because it's not >50% doesn't mean it's just a hundred of angry players throwing a fit. Let's say... 30% isn't a majority but it's certainly a noticeable chunk of the playerbase.

    ENTITLEMENT
    You keep throwing that word around and I'm not even going to say it's not entitlement - as a paying customer I have a right to state my opinion and take actions as a result of the company's actions.
    Flaunt it all you want, it's not a bad word in this context.
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    Last edited by BillyKaplan; 04-23-2019 at 07:17 AM.

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    Gwenorai's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seong-jin View Post
    You can take your money elsewhere if you want. You not giving SE $13-15 dollars a month isn't going to make a difference in the long scheme of things. You're not entitled to ask for something in a game simply because you pay money. I played World of Warcraft for 14 years and the same crap happened there. SE and this game will be around long after you've gone.

    I'm not trying to be rude in saying this, but it's true. Companies shouldn't have to acquiesce to a small minority simply because they're unhappy. ENTITLEMENT
    What are you talking about? This is the equivalent of telling every customer that they shouldn't give feedback on cosmetic items that they would desire to have in the future. And instead, we should simply let Square Enix do what they desire without feedback or headway on what their customers would like to see.

    Just imagine a shop owner simply stocking up basketballs when there's a good amount of people wanting footballs - but when those people ask for footballs to be stocked there's some other customer in the store who's stroking their basketball telling those who want the footballs that they're entitled.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 04-23-2019 at 07:27 AM.

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    Tristain Archambeau
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seong-jin View Post
    You can take your money elsewhere if you want. You not giving SE $13-15 dollars a month isn't going to make a difference in the long scheme of things. You're not entitled to ask for something in a game simply because you pay money. I played World of Warcraft for 14 years and the same crap happened there. SE and this game will be around long after you've gone.

    I'm not trying to be rude in saying this, but it's true. Companies shouldn't have to acquiesce to a small minority simply because they're unhappy. ENTITLEMENT
    People quitting or reducing expenditure on the game (in terms of fantasia sales, whether they stay subbed etc) is lost revenue however you look at it. Does it generate any obligation on SE to do anything? No. Does it mean they could potentially suffer losing out on profits they could be capturing if they add male Viera? Yes. If they didn't care they could simply ignore the issue entirely, which they've not.

    You're not entitled to ask for things, they're not entitled to your money flowing in their direction regardless of what decisions they make. Cuts both ways. No doubt you'll try argue the effect is too insignificant to matter, but you don't really possess any data to back such a point up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seong-jin View Post
    You can take your money elsewhere if you want. You not giving SE $13-15 dollars a month isn't going to make a difference in the long scheme of things. You're not entitled to ask for something in a game simply because you pay money. I played World of Warcraft for 14 years and the same crap happened there. SE and this game will be around long after you've gone.

    I'm not trying to be rude in saying this, but it's true. Companies shouldn't have to acquiesce to a small minority simply because they're unhappy. ENTITLEMENT
    Because "WoW Refugee" is not a thing these days.../s

    Seriously.. I am sick of seeing people refer to people who say they are leaving the game as saying they're entitled.

    1. You cannot say that you are not trying to be rude when you are using a term with a lot of derogatory use these days in many forms of media.
    2. What you are doing can be construed as "Entitled" as well. "How dare people threaten to unsub from a game that I like because they don't like the direction the game is going!" Does this sound ludicrous to you? Well it's exactly what you're implying BY using that term.
    3. Whether not SE really feels this in the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that, for some people, it's important for them to do this for their own reason. And nothing would happen if they all decided not to do this.
    4. Them unsubbing is NOT going to hurt you.
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    J'ami Tia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seong-jin View Post
    You can take your money elsewhere if you want. You not giving SE $13-15 dollars a month isn't going to make a difference in the long scheme of things. You're not entitled to ask for something in a game simply because you pay money. I played World of Warcraft for 14 years and the same crap happened there. SE and this game will be around long after you've gone.

    I'm not trying to be rude in saying this, but it's true. Companies shouldn't have to acquiesce to a small minority simply because they're unhappy. ENTITLEMENT
    I can understand your point about entitlement. However, it was after the Tokyo FanFest that Yoshi-P asked interviewers how the genderlocked races were playing to audiences abroad. After hearing the reaction was not completely enthusiastic, SE invited comments from their player base about wanting the male and female compliments to the announced races. This thread came about as the result of that invitation. People have been discussing work flow problems, resources, design concepts, lore.

    Others have stated, as you said, that they will be unsubscribing from the game. This is also information SE wants to know. When unsubscribing from many games & services there is often a multiple choice list or blank field to offer a reason why you are leaving. These individuals are taking the time to leave that response here in the boards as well.
    So while it may come off at casual glance as entitled or extreme, I would look at it is an indicator of how strongly some people feel about their creative options and something to be considered as part of the requested feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seong-jin View Post
    You can take your money elsewhere if you want. You not giving SE $13-15 dollars a month isn't going to make a difference in the long scheme of things. You're not entitled to ask for something in a game simply because you pay money. I played World of Warcraft for 14 years and the same crap happened there. SE and this game will be around long after you've gone.

    I'm not trying to be rude in saying this, but it's true. Companies shouldn't have to acquiesce to a small minority simply because they're unhappy. ENTITLEMENT
    You really don't pay enough for this game to be urging people not to subscribe to this game. At the end of the day, no amount of bootlicking makes the $13-$15 that you pay worth more than the $13-$15 the people that want Male Viera pay. Heck if anything, you devalue your worth as a customer by advocating that others don't use the service as you don't pay enough to offset the loss of even 1 player let alone the many that have expressed support for this option. Also welcome to FFXIV, a game where different content is doled out to enough overlapping interested minorities to keep it afloat.
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