Genderlock reminder to SE

[Kogasan]

I really hope they keep the races how they are. Genderlocked I think is really good for this game. So please SE don't listen to all these complainers. Because they will just find another reason to complain any way.

[AbelArchaniEA]

SE owes you nothing. They have already went public on their reasoning. Find something positive to dwell on instead.

[Kurando]

Keep in mind that those 4700 are not from the forums. Those are from an unofficial poll where the number of those against gender-locking are at least 1000 more than those on the forums here.

about other mediums like Reddit. Anybody could use Reddit, not just active FF14 players. So a random person that doesn't even play the game could use the FF14 reddit. So if there was a poll on Reddit, it would be heavily skewed since anybody could add their two sense..

As previously stated, unless it's an official poll then other sources shouldn't be taken as absolute. Anyone can cheat a poll to influence the desired result they want, it's also quite easy to jump on a bandwagon immediately and vote one particular way without giving it enough thought.

in order to suddenly design a male Viera and female Hrothgar when they just said that the funds and time weren't there for them right now.

Case in point. Players need to calm the hell down.

[FoxyAreku]

It's not really about being a 'majority' (with 8 races now you'll never get a majority for any of them) it's just about whether it's a big enough demand for it to be worth their time to implement.

But even then, the earliest we'll see it happen is in 6.0 in two years time.

Not necessarily. It could easily be worked on in pieces then added halfway through the expansion. Only time will tell.

I really hope they keep the races how they are. Genderlocked I think is really good for this game. So please SE don't listen to all these complainers. Because they will just find another reason to complain any way.

How in the world is it good for the game?

I mean, I hate viera and would have liked them to just not be implemented at all, but even I'm not so selfish to not realize that they existing is good for the game since they are a heavily requested feature.

Exclusivity, on the other hand, is rarely good for game health in any form.

[Mezzoforte]

That's not how polls work.
4,700 responses is enough to get a fair snapshot of a larger population, and extrapolate averages from, providing the platform wasn't a biased one.

The biggest issue with the poll is the limited, loaded question.

4700 responses is not particularly enough to make a "fair snapshot" of the situation depending on how big you are trying to extrapolate your sample onto. In this case it isn't large enough. Also, the sample is already biased meaning it has no relevance for extrapolation. This poll is utilized in such a way as to primarily target people who have a vested interest in it and not the actual wide range of people that play. In every scenario it isn't good data.

[VertoIncantation]

How in the world is it good for the game?

I mean, I hate viera and would have liked them to just not be implemented at all, but even I'm not so selfish to not realize that they existing is good for the game since they are a heavily requested feature.

Exclusivity, on the other hand, is rarely good for game health in any form.

But here's the issue, Viera lore is ivalice, female only. Males are NEVER seen (and were never plan) aside for mating and only in the woods/jungle, away from praying eyes in a protected area hidden by a strong barrier accessible only to female viera. Now that viera is finally coming to FF14, people want more (like always from this rabbid fanbase, just look at china/korea costume topics) out of something that doesn't exist. Yea sure the race could be born in a year or 2, with new lore and patch and whatever, but right now, it doesn't exist.

It doesn't hurt the game in any way, lots of games have gender locked race/gender or CLASS to specific, people live with it. Now on the other day...FF14 fanbase..they want everything at the cost of something else (which will obviously happen), they're never happy. This fanbase is just baffling.

[MrKimper]

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Uh that's not a fair response to criticism or requests by fans, in any sort of medium. Saying that you should at base accept everything that is given to you by a developer as being perfect and spot on is not how an ever evolving game like an MMO improves. There are MULTIPLE problems with your statement that doesn't even involve male viera.

Eureka was meh at launch and pagos was downright unplayable when it dropped. This was AFTER it had been delayed by a patch mind you, BLU is all but irrelevant content after it's release with promises of "new and unique gameplay" coming 3 months at the very least AFTER the new expansion drops. Spell speed hackers are to my knowledge STILL a thing in PVP, Bow mage in heavensward, DIADEM and don't even get me started on east coast lag after the data center move. These aren't even counting the host of problems at launch with SB where players couldn't even load into zones or finish story quests.

I agree that feedback should be consolidated into ONE thread, that this isn't something someone should cancel their sub over(even though they have that right) and that people who take this as a crusade against sexism and homophobia are batty, but please don't pretend as if XIV is some sort of entitled community that only complains unfairly about the developers. It's just not true, period, the amount of patience people have shown when dealing with serious core issues with the game is just saintly and I commend the dev team for just as well ADDRESSING these issues rather than sweep them underneath the rug.

Giving feedback ≠ Complaining to complain.

It's just the same way avid destiny fans complained how barren the game was at launch or how terrible mass effect 3's endings were only to be called "entitled baby gamers" it just reeks of corporate boot licking. Just lapping up anything given to you just makes you sound like a drone, not a person. Again this isn't even about viera but your entire argument equates any sort of dislike of something implemented as being a whiner which just isn't a constructive mindset to have at all.

[KaijinRhada]

Gender lock threads exist in abundance for both options. Let's not dilute the topic, and stick to the megathreads.

But here's the issue, Viera lore is ivalice, female only. Males are NEVER seen (and were never plan) aside for mating and only in the woods/jungle, away from praying eyes in a protected area hidden by a strong barrier accessible only to female viera. Now that viera is finally coming to FF14, people want more (like always from this rabbid fanbase, just look at china/korea costume topics) out of something that doesn't exist. Yea sure the race could be born in a year or 2, with new lore and patch and whatever, but right now, it doesn't exist.

Honestly, if the lore of Ivalice was that important, why was the timeline of the Ivalice events changed to be backwards? Why was Ovelia just a footnote, and Delita not in character? Why were Ashe and Rasler twins and not husband and wife? Why not ask Matsuno, who already said that he had no input in implementing the race in the first place, outside of the stuff he's already written? FFXIV borrows from other games and changes it as it sees fit. Nothing is sacred.

By the account of lore, civilization-advanced Ivalice races aside from humans are extinct by the time Tactics rolled around. By the same token, if they really wanted to keep it to the lore, they would have never introduced male Miqo'te, and if they wanted the spirit of an imported race, the same would apply to female Roegadyn.

[MrKimper]

Gender lock threads exist in abundance for both options. Let's not dilute the topic, and stick to the megathreads.



Honestly, if the lore of Ivalice was that important, why was the timeline of the Ivalice events changed to be backwards? Why was Ovelia just a footnote, and Delita not in character? Why were Ashe and Rasler twins and not husband and wife? Why not ask Matsuno, who already said that he had no input in implementing the race in the first place, outside of the stuff he's already written? FFXIV borrows from other games and changes it as it sees fit. Nothing is sacred.

By the account of lore, civilization-advanced Ivalice races aside from humans are extinct by the time Tactics rolled around. By the same token, if they really wanted to keep it to the lore, they would have never introduced male Miqo'te, and if they wanted the spirit of an imported race, the same would apply to female Roegadyn.

I mean even if you go by lore, the viera's first appearance was in advance, which was a fantasy version of ivalice made by mewt, in XII there are male viera they simply live separately from the women(apparently this was apart of the multitude of cut content from XII from what I remember) this is the same in advance2 since unlike advance A2 takes place in the same ivalice as XII just several years into the future iirc. So based on lore Viera has never been a "Female only" race in the sense that males do not exist ever.

So the lore excuse is just bad, I do understand the development teams desire to not add in viera but doing it out of obligation. That being said I would have rather they stuck to their guns and released full hrothgar and maybe release viera for 6.0. I just think the "2 races in one expansion!" business tactic was just bad.

[Joven]

I'm honestly surprised the devs are even releasing ANY new races because they had to know something like this would happen. Even if they did release both genders for each race then it would be "why do the males get this pose while the females don't?" Or "why do females get this facial feature and males don't?" Blah blah blah. It's a never ending cycle on here. Each race/gender should have things to make them unique, if they didn't then what would be the point of having multiple races/genders.

I for one am simply happy by the fact that we ARE getting new races and I'm anxiously awaiting both of them. I even transfered one of my alts to another server to make room for both on my main server. Be happy that we're getting anything at all and stop making such a fuss before the content even comes out, you'll be a lot happier for it.