Genderlock reminder to SE

[Zsolen]

You don't seem to understand what lore is. By your understanding there wouldn't be people who make and eat asian food in London. Also most of who are adventures would not be adventures, probably none.

This does not address my concerns. Male Viera adventurers completely conflict with lore. There is no wiggle room, not even a little. Asian food in London does not have anything to do with that.

[Lacan]

People still don't understand what genderlocked means. It refers to that fact that if you want to play a certain race you are locked into a certain gender. Just like if something is racelocked you have to be a certain race. Other mmos have racelocked jobs that are only open to players based on what race they picked at the start. Miqote and Roegadyn were genderlocked in 1.0. If you wanted to be one you had to play as either a female or male respectively. It isn't trying to say that they exist in the game's code and were dummied out.

Please don't comment on things if you don't understand how the terminology works. :v

[Sigma-Astra]

Please don't comment on things if you don't understand how the terminology works. :v

Genderlock isn't even a real terminology used by actual video game developers and designers. It's not even something that can be found within a dictionary. It was something that the players and public made themselves.

Let's not pretend that it's actually a professional or real term used within the industry and don't tell others that they can't comment on an issue for terminology that doesn't even exist and was fan-made to describe a situation that people don't like instead of simply just saying what it is outright. "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made."

If something was locked, it's implied that it was already made but you're prohibited from using it outright. Nothing was made, therefore nothing was locked. A door is locked, you obviously can't go through it even though you want to get to the other side.

Male Viera and female Hrothgar aren't locked behind a door that you can't get through. They were simply just not made. That's it.

[Lacan]

Genderlock isn't even a real terminology used by actual video game developers and designers. It's not even something that can be found within a dictionary. It was something that the players and public made themselves.

Let's not pretend that it's actually professional or real terms used within the industry and don't tell others that they can't comment on an issue for terminology that doesn't even exist and was fan-made to describe a situation that people don't like instead of simply just saying what it is outright. "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made."

If you want to misunderstand a term people are already using, be my guest. Saying "genderlocked" is a lot simpler than typing out "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made" every time. That's the reason people came up with it in the first place. It boils down to semantics.

If something was locked, it's implied that it was already made but you're prohibited from using it outright. Nothing was made, therefore nothing was locked. A door is locked, you obviously can't go through it even though you want to get to the other side.

Male Viera and female Hrothgar aren't locked behind a door that you can't get through. They were simply just not made. That's it.

You're misinterpreting it. That isn't what people mean when they say it, but if it makes you feel clever to point that out, good for you I guess? No one is arguing that male Viera and female Hrothgar are already in the game and just waiting to be unlocked. There is nothing to indicate that.

[Sigma-Astra]

If you want to misunderstand a term people are already using, be my guest. Saying "genderlocked" is a lot simpler than typing out "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made" every time. That's the reason people came up with it in the first place. It boils down to semantics.

It boils down towards people being lazy and making up a word to describe something that they don't want to type out and now, years down the line, people are misconstruing that "Genderlock" can be applied towards things not even made in the first place so they can have an excuse to call game developers sexist.

You're misinterpreting it. That isn't what people mean when they say it, but if it makes you feel clever to point that out, good for you I guess?

No, I'm not. You're being passive aggressive towards other people for not adhering to your own definition of a word that gets so freely thrown around these days while insinuating you know more about the word than they do. If it's not what you mean, then speak more clearly and stop relying on shortcuts to suit your argument, otherwise, people are going to find those holes.

No one is arguing that male Viera and female Hrothgar are already in the game and just waiting to be unlocked. There is nothing to indicate that.

You tell that one to the OP.

[Lacan]

It boils down towards people being lazy and making up a word to describe something that they don't want to type out and now, years down the line, people are misconstruing that "Genderlock" can be applied towards things not even made in the first place so they can have an excuse to call game developers sexist.

Genderlock can refer to things that weren't made in the first place though. It refers to anything that you have to be a certain gender to make use of. You're making up your own definition of what the word means.

[Kyuuen]

It boils down towards people being lazy and making up a word to describe something that they don't want to type out and now, years down the line, people are misconstruing that "Genderlock" can be applied towards things not even made in the first place so they can have an excuse to call game developers sexist.

That's what is done in everyday language though. Can't fault people for finding a way to shorten something to that of a few words. Otherwise we'd be saying things like "His/Her heart stopped beating and all brain activity has ceased." as opposed to "S/He has died/past away/ceased to be." Finding a way to communicate in as few words as possible is an evolutionary process of language.

As to the sexist remark, please knock it off. Are there a few people mistakenly making that suggestion? Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

[Nora_of_Mira]

The point of the threads are just to show SE that there is interest in male Viera and female Hrothgar. That's it.

Please don't comment on things if you don't understand how the terminology works. :v

this is a discussion board.

[Sated]

"Made up words" is literally what language is and how it evolves, but that's not even on topic.

Much more relevant: a lot of players don't enjoy content that's restricted to specific genders, so why does SE keep doing it and can they be convinced it's worth developing content that includes both?

[whiskeybravo]

"Made up words" is literally what language is and how it evolves, but that's not even on topic.

Made up words mean nothing. Gooblygobidtydibitydash

But if someone uses a word that doesn't appear to be rubbish, such as "Genderlock", in order to interpret this word we have to break it down to individual components and see what those might mean. "Lock" implies that access is being restricted. That is why you "lock" something up, or away.

A more appropriate term would be "gender options".

"Dear SE, are you able to introduce optional genders for Viera and Hrothgar?"

sounds a lot better than

"It's getting quite annoying to have to wait so much for you to say that we will get genderlock lifted"

I mean, who would you rather respond to? Words matter. A great deal.