Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

It looks like 1400 people have no concept of development time, cost, time it takes to make content, or budget. It's already explained why they've reached this decision and why the Fem Roe and males Miqo'te was doable 5 years ago, unlike now. But I guess people just hear the "let your voice be heard," without really thinking about what comes with it.

I've also been hearing something along the lines of "they've had two years to do ------." You don't really know what goes behind closed doors. They're killing two birds with one stone with this move (giving people both Viera and a beast-like race). Now these races need to have tens of thousands of gear pieces remade for each of them. That's literally double the amount. Now imagine if they had to do the same for both genders. Every race and gender uses a different model. So, this idea that Midlander, Highlander, Miqote, Elezen, and Au'Ra are somehow using the same base model is an outright lie. Hrothgar are not "basically Roes." And no, I'm not white knighting. I'm just being realistic as to what the dev team can do. But it's all about gimme gimme smh.

[BillyKaplan]

It looks like 1400 people have no concept of development time, cost, time it takes to make content, or budget.

How foolish of us, obviously the preferred solution to this would've been no additional races at all to avoid the stress on the developers!

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

How foolish of us, obviously the preferred solution to this would've been no additional races at all to avoid the stress on the developers!

I mean, people have been calling for that too, just because they didn't get what they wanted. Like I said, this was the best solution they could reach. I've seen other gaming communities resort to childlike behavior when they disagreed with devs (Soulcalibur and Devil May Cry come to mind), but I wasn't expecting it to the extent I saw here. Calling the team "sexist and homophobic," despite them adding same sex marriage is asinine to me.

[Kradus]

I mean, people have been calling for that too, just because they didn't get what they wanted. Like I said, this was the best solution they could reach. I've seen other gaming communities resort to childlike behavior when they disagreed with devs (Soulcalibur and Devil May Cry come to mind), but I wasn't expecting it to the extent I saw here. Calling the team "sexist and homophobic," despite them adding same sex marriage is asinine to me.

Strawmanning everyone you disagree with by pinning the weakest arguments of other people that you disagree with on them is not a rational way to go about things, either. People are allowed to give feedback on products that they are paying for. No amount of desperate flailing on your part will stop this, and the multimillion dollar corporation does not need you to shield them from criticism. If they decide it's something worth making, they'll do it. If they decide it's not worth it, they won't do it. That's all it comes down to, and part of deciding whether it's worth it for them in the long run is players making what they want heard.

[BillyKaplan]

Like I said, this was the best solution they could reach.

It was the solution they thought was best. It being the best solution they could reach is something else and many in the playerbase do not agree that it is.

Calling the team "sexist and homophobic," despite them adding same sex marriage is asinine to me.

Knowingly walking into a situation where you offer rugged, muscular, beastly men alongside lithe, beautiful bunny girls is sexist whether they intended it that way or not. The flip side of that is that they decided against adding beastly women and lithe bunny boys - two things that break what you usually see.
Devs stalling for literally years on unlocking the bunny outfit because it made their male developers feel uncomfortable so it had to be delegated to their female devs is a bunch of bad things there too. And it's not unrelated to this case because guess what - bunny boys. Yoshida saying male Viera would be weird (if indeed he meant it aesthetics wise and not "we never saw them before so suddenly having them would be weird") while adding female Viera into the game is problematic.

Say what you will, the amalgamation of all those things just looks bad.

[Acesfool]

Knowingly walking into a situation where you offer rugged, muscular, beastly men alongside lithe, beautiful bunny girls is sexist whether they intended it that way or not.

No it isn't. Not even in the slightest way whatsoever. And claiming that it's sexist is just an attempt to bully them into giving you what you want.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

Strawmanning everyone you disagree with by pinning the weakest arguments of other people that you disagree with on them is not a rational way to go about things, either. People are allowed to give feedback on products that they are paying for. No amount of desperate flailing on your part will stop this, and the multimillion dollar corporation does not need you to shield them from criticism. If they decide it's something worth making, they'll do it. If they decide it's not worth it, they won't do it. That's all it comes down to, and part of deciding whether it's worth it for them in the long run is players making what they want heard.

It seems like you're projecting if anything else. Explain how I'm "strawmanning," when this is what I'm seeing in the forums? And there's nothing about my language that's "flailing." And for big bad "multimillion dollar corporation," you had no problem subbing to them, up to this point

It was the solution they thought was best. It being the best solution they could reach is something else and many in the playerbase do not agree that it is.



Knowingly walking into a situation where you offer rugged, muscular, beastly men alongside lithe, beautiful bunny girls is sexist whether they intended it that way or not. The flip side of that is that they decided against adding beastly women and lithe bunny boys - two things that break what you usually see.
Devs stalling for literally years on unlocking the bunny outfit because it made their male developers feel uncomfortable so it had to be delegated to their female devs is a bunch of bad things there too. And it's not unrelated to this case because guess what - bunny boys. Yoshida saying male Viera would be weird (if indeed he meant it aesthetics wise and not "we never saw them before so suddenly having them would be weird") while adding female Viera into the game is problematic.

Say what you will, the amalgamation of all those things just looks bad.

I'd like to see where it was explicit that the team were uncomfortable about the male bunny suit. And even then, what's the point in this argument? Just because you don't like their options or if you perceive it as being traditionally masculine or feminist doesn't make it sexist. Neither race is being treated better than the other.

[Lauront]

I'd like to see where it was explicit that the team were uncomfortable about the male bunny suit. And even then, what's the point in this argument? Just because you don't like their options or if you perceive it as being traditionally masculine or feminist doesn't make it sexist. Neither race is being treated better than the other.

That's the one thing I'll agree with you on. It's not sexist.

[Lauront]

How foolish of us, obviously the preferred solution to this would've been no additional races at all to avoid the stress on the developers!

No additional features, at all, in fact. Just roll out the game as is on the Switch and leave everything as is.

[Anarnee]

It looks like 1400 people have no concept of development time, cost, time it takes to make content, or budget. It's already explained why they've reached this decision and why the Fem Roe and males Miqo'te was doable 5 years ago, unlike now. But I guess people just hear the "let your voice be heard," without really thinking about what comes with it.

I've also been hearing something along the lines of "they've had two years to do ------." You don't really know what goes behind closed doors. They're killing two birds with one stone with this move (giving people both Viera and a beast-like race). Now these races need to have tens of thousands of gear pieces remade for each of them. That's literally double the amount. Now imagine if they had to do the same for both genders. Every race and gender uses a different model. So, this idea that Midlander, Highlander, Miqote, Elezen, and Au'Ra are somehow using the same base model is an outright lie. Hrothgar are not "basically Roes." And no, I'm not white knighting. I'm just being realistic as to what the dev team can do. But it's all about gimme gimme smh.

Noooo, you kinda are white knighting. I think a good majority of us do understand the development cost and work that goes into new races. But guess what? It's still important to me, so I'm still gonna talk about it. YoshiP said they will consider adding the Male Viera and Fem Hrothgar after looking at feedback. No promises, but at least we feel we will be heard. We're giving feedback.

Yeah, it is about gimme gimme. If something is important to you, you also have the right to make a thread and ask for it, that is what the forums are for. Just so happens that this topic seems to be more important than a lot of the other topics that have popped up, or they'd be getting the 1400 likes.