Male Viera... Unsubbing for now.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's utterly baffling to me that there are a lot of you laughing and making fun of people who are upset about this. "This is nothing new, there's plenty of MMOs with gender locked races". Yeah, so what? In case you didn't know, this is Final Fantasy XIV, gender locked races haven't been a thing since 1.0 and for good reason. Why are you so against giving people more options? How does it hurt you if there's male Viera?

I know there's a lot of hyperbole going around, and that tends to happen when a company makes decisions that make no sense like these. I personally won't unsub over it but my faith in this game has been shaken once again, severely diminishing my excitement for Shadowbringers. I totally respect anyone who feels like they don't want to support SE with this happening. People are allowed to voice their opinion and it's their right as a customer to stop supporting a product they're not happy with. And to the people saying it's ridiculous to get upset over cosmetics, ever heard of the phrase "glamour is endgame"? Cosmetics are one of the most important parts when it comes to any online game, you want your character to stand out and for it to look exactly like you want it to. From MMOs to even basic online shooters, the whole reward systems are based around skins and cosmetic customization.

I want to say it again since I don't think it can be stressed enough, why are you advocating for less content, for less options?

Im more laughing that people are threatening to unsub, or are just flat out unsubbing over a Gender of a race...that Lorewise, is pretty secluded and nonexistent in all FF lore from the getgo. People are mad that they can't get what they want, even if it wouldn't make sense for it to happen.
Assuming everyone who is upset is from the West.....it just shows how bad Gender Politics are that people are mad at a Japanese game over a western issue.

If you enjoy this game, the Genderlocked race shouldn't be an issue. Understandably a Disappointment...but not an Issue.
And if it is a big enough issue to make you unsubb, then I question why you still played the game till this point.

[Sheriyana]

Im more laughing that people are threatening to unsub, or are just flat out unsubbing over a Gender of a race...that Lorewise, is pretty secluded and nonexistent in all FF lore from the getgo. People are mad that they can't get what they want, even if it wouldn't make sense for it to happen.
Assuming everyone who is upset is from the West.....it just shows how bad Gender Politics are that people are mad at a Japanese game over a western issue.

If you enjoy this game, the Genderlocked race shouldn't be an issue. Understandably a Disappointment...but not an Issue.
And if it is a big enough issue to make you unsubb, then I question why you still played the game till this point.

Well this is the same nonsensical lore nonsense that people have been spewing here for pages. It makes as much sense for there to be male Keepers and Duskwight Elezen as it does male Viera, all of them are incredibly rare when it comes to lore and it makes no sense lorewise for there to be running thousands of player characters playing as them. Why is male Viera different now all of a sudden? Gender politics don't even need to be taken into account to see that there is a problem, we haven't had gender locked races since 1.0, why is it okay now?

[Senliten]

Well this is the same nonsensical lore nonsense that people have been spewing here for pages. It makes as much sense for there to be male Keepers and Duskwight Elezen as it does male Viera, all of them are incredibly rare when it comes to lore and it makes no sense lorewise for there to be running thousands of player characters playing as them. Why is male Viera different now all of a sudden? Gender politics don't even need to be taken into account to see that there is a problem, we haven't had gender locked races since 1.0, why is it okay now?

You do remember that during one of the lore sessions they did state that all those others are just mere adventurers right? As in they walked off the beaten path of the racial norm? Given there is only one Warrior of Light and all that

Male Viera is also a creation of FF12, Respect and wishes of the FF12 team were taken into consideration clearly with this during Ivalice's creation in 14. Which once again, if anyone were to create a male Viera, it should be them. (The FF12 team)

Also lore wise, they have their reason, but it can easily be a guise for developmental reasons. And of course, SE love to keep with the fantasy aspect for why and not say 'because we have not many people on our team', do you know the possible outrage that would occur if they said it was due to 'development'? Would be a bloodbath

[Sheriyana]

You do remember that during one of the lore sessions they did state that all those others are just mere adventurers right? As in they walked off the beaten path of the racial norm? Given there is only one Warrior of Light and all that

Male Viera is also a creation of FF12, Respect and wishes of the FF12 team were taken into consideration clearly with this during Ivalice's creation in 14. Which once again, if anyone were to create a male Viera, it should be them.

What does it matter if they're just "mere adventurers"? Adventurer isn't a race, and a representative of a race being an adventurer still means that there's more of that race in the world, which in turn contradicts the lore.

And yeah, I would have been a little more understanding if they had actually made it a point that was why they chose not to add them, instead of you know, just saying nothing, ignoring that they exist and pretending that a gender locked race is nothing new and no problem at all. Also there's a lot of people from the FFXII team actually working on XIV, and we literally just had Matsuno, the creator of Ivalice designing a whole raid series for us, I'm sure Yoshida could have asked for his blessing any time during the development. And well considering it was in the series Matsuno created for us in XIV that he decided to add all that male Viera lore into this game, clearly confirming not only that they exist in general but on Hydaelyn as well.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Well this is the same nonsensical lore nonsense that people have been spewing here for pages. It makes as much sense for there to be male Keepers and Duskwight Elezen as it does male Viera, all of them are incredibly rare when it comes to lore and it makes no sense lorewise for there to be running thousands of player characters playing as them. Why is male Viera different now all of a sudden? Gender politics don't even need to be taken into account to see that there is a problem, we haven't had gender locked races since 1.0, why is it okay now?

Right, but the Keepers/Miqo'te are a race for XIV. The Viera have existed and had Lore way before this game.
And literally, the entire issue is a Gender Politic.

[Sheriyana]

Right, but the Keepers/Miqo'te are a race for XIV. The Viera have existed and had Lore way before this game.
And literally, the entire issue is a Gender Politic.

And with these you can point out to 1.0, when there were no male Miqo'te, neither female Roegadyn or Highlander. Also a race being pulled from one game, doesn't mean it's the same in this game, and again, even before Viera even being mentioned in XIV, we knew male Viera were a thing in Ivalice, just not ever shown. You can make it about politics all you want, to me first and foremost it's about missing game features that we've been trained to expect from the game since they relaunced it. And I'm not saying you can't make the gender politics argument, it's definitely there as well.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

And with these you can point out to 1.0, when there were no male Miqo'te, neither female Roegadyn or Highlander. Also a race being pulled from one game, doesn't mean it's the same in this game, and again, even before Viera even being mentioned in XIV, we knew male Viera were a thing in Ivalice, just not ever shown. You can make it about politics all you want, to me first and foremost it's about missing game features that we've been trained to expect from the game since they relaunced it. And I'm not saying you can't make the gender politics argument, it's definitely there as well.

A race gender isn't a game feature tho...So calling it a missing feature is a huge stretch. Yeah, everyone knows Males exist, its just that they never really make themselves known. People will always bring up "The-Lore" because thats just what it is. And you can't really counter a race from previous games with established lore against new races in the current game. Im not saying you can't be upset about it, but the arguments don't work.
And 1.0 before ARR 2.0 is a whole different issue I think.

[Sheriyana]

A race gender isn't a game feature tho...So calling it a missing feature is a huge stretch. Yeah, everyone knows Males exist, its just that they never really make themselves known. People will always bring up "The-Lore" because thats just what it is. And you can't really counter a race from previous games with established lore against new races in the current game. Im not saying you can't be upset about it, but the arguments don't work.
And 1.0 before ARR 2.0 is a whole different issue I think.

You should probably go google what the word feature means. Playable races in a game are very much a feature. And no, the males not appearing in previous games doesn't mean they can't appear in this game. How do you not see the logical inconsistencies in your argument? You know Xaela and Raen would usually stick to their homelands too? That doesn't mean there aren't a few who have left their homes behind, same could as easily be true for male Viera, even if it's just one rogue. The same is also true for Duskwights, there's not really any npc ones, I can only remember the rival from the lancer class quests. It's just because SE didn't feel like adding them that they are the way they are.